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Trying to drum up discussion as others have mentioned. Full spoilers.

Which of the 16 Shards of Adonalsium would you pick, had you been present at the shattering? Or be able to Connect to well enough to pick up? Would you try to modify its intent in any way, a la Harmony/Discord?

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[–] ChosenUndead15 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

For a meme pick, I will go with whimsy, we don't know what it is doing, it hasn't even settled on a planet yet. But you can beat is going to be unexpected.

[–] duct_tape_is_silver 2 points 1 year ago

Ironically, I feel like picking Whimsy for the meme is perfectly in line with Whimsy and therefore a valid reason. That would be a pretty hard Shard to pass along with purpose like Preservation or Honor tried.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's a really interesting question, and it brings up another one. How did each Vessel decide which one to take? I don't know if I could devote millennia to a single Intent. As we've seen in the books, holding a Shard takes a toll on the Vessels. In Secret History, we can really see how far gone Preservation was by the end of his life. Honor was in a similar state near the end of his life, and we haven't even seen very much of that point in Roshar's history. It's been shown that when someone holds a Shard, it slowly consumes them until the Intent takes control. I'm curious to see how Sazed handles both Ruin and Preservation. It's been hinted that sometime in the future of Mistborn, Harmony will turn to Discord as Sazed faces the internal struggle of holding two shards with seemingly opposite Intents.

I guess this is just a long way of saying I don't know which Shard I would want, and that I probably wouldn't want to take any of them.

[–] duct_tape_is_silver 3 points 1 year ago

A fair argument. It seems like that's exactly what Hoid did, decided not to settle on any single intent. How the original 16 picked their shards is open to interpretation I guess, but I'm pretty sure there's mention in Harmony's letter to Hoid that Ati specifically picked Ruin to try and curb its destructive intent. Conversely, its mentioned that Rayse wanted Odium, and was already a dangerous man.

I wonder, with that info, if the 16 had any idea how badly the Shards would corrupt their vessel.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I think Cultivation has to be the best one. Maybe Invention for similar reasons. Your Intent just drives you to make sure things grow and change. You can have any additional motives beyond those, and I think most won't be an issue. The only drawback I could see is that maybe your Intent would lead you to Cultivating a new vessel for your shard, as being held by the same person forever doesn't work. I think that's what Lift is, and I'm interested to find out if a Vessel can willingly part with a Shard.

[–] ChosenUndead15 3 points 1 year ago

I totally agree with this, while we still don't know the negative effects of holding Cultivation, possibly because Koravellum is a dragon and might sustain the effects for longer, the nature of the shard might be what pushed her to have an successor or maybe is just Kora doing the decision from observing what happened witb the others.

[–] duct_tape_is_silver 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I worry that Cultivations downside is the same as many others, in that a single virtue pushed to extremes is bad. Change and growth just for changes sake can mess up a lot of stuff.

[–] thejuicesticecube 2 points 1 year ago

I think that's kinda the point of the cosmere.

[–] duct_tape_is_silver 3 points 1 year ago

Working as an engineer, I've gotta go with Invention. We've seen so little of it but the name, but it's the only one of the 16 I've heard of that I think I could mesh well enough with.

I'm not sure what a modified Invention would look like, but I would try to take it down a wacky Rube Goldberg path. Everybody on the planet has to make pointless gadgets to help them take of their slippers at night kind of Invention.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

We haven't seen any of the Shard but it's name, but Invention sounds good to me.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I would pick Cultivation.