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The warning from the U.S. and its four closest intellignce partners follows several arrests of U.S. service members for allegedly trying to pass info to China.

The U.S. and its intelligence partners warned on Wednesday that China is working to recruit current and former Western military pilots and other service members to help strengthen Chinese air power and gain insights into Western aviation tactics.

Describing China’s efforts as a “persistent” threat, the warning came in a joint bulletin from the so-called Five Eyes intelligence partners, five nations that share sensitive intelligence: the U.S., the United Kingdom, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. 

China’s People’s Liberation Army (PLA) “is using private companies in South Africa and China to hire former fighter pilots from Canada, France, Germany, the United Kingdom, Australia, the United States, and other Western nations to train PLA Air Force and Navy aviators,” the bulletin said.

“The PLA wants the skills and expertise of these individuals to make its own military air operations more capable while gaining insight into Western air tactics, techniques, and procedures. The insight the PLA gains from Western military talent threatens the safety of the targeted recruits, their fellow service members, and U.S. and allied security.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I guess the US might have to up their treatment of vets to prevent intel from leaks.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil 11 points 5 months ago (1 children)

By "up their treatment" do you mean "up their surveillance state apparatus and impose travel restrictions on their most valuable staffers"?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I was thinking more along the lines of healthcare benefits and pensions. 😅

[–] Filthmontane 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, that'll never happen.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Immigration to China it is then.

[–] Filthmontane 2 points 5 months ago

Or we could just build up the working class with unions and worker co-ops

[–] not_that_guy05 12 points 5 months ago

Don't worry we have enough republican traitors that they'll gladly fill the positions.

[–] A_A 10 points 5 months ago (1 children)

What ? They do not hire russian ones ? /sarcasm

[–] Voytrekk 10 points 5 months ago (1 children)

They don't want them for raw numbers, they have plenty of people who are able to become pilots. They need the intel to help catch them up to and counter western countries. This is something that has been ongoing forever, just the countries change.

[–] A_A 4 points 5 months ago

i agree and my sarcasm was supposed to underline the fact that russia doesn't have the most advanced technology and does not have the most advanced qualified pilots in the world ... (i'm not very good at making clear sarcasm)

[–] Nobody 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] NOT_RICK 3 points 5 months ago

CHOSEN WANNNNN

[–] ChicoSuave 7 points 5 months ago (2 children)

China: they can steal the tech to make great jets but don't have the talent to fly them.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The thing is education is a kind of technology in and of itself. They don't need individual pilots, they need trainers.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

There's this theory floating around that Chinese people are inherently inferior to their western peers, and the only thing they can do to keep up is to cheat.

I'm not sure how hiring experienced professionals to train new recruits constitutes "cheating". I never heard it phrased that way during Operation Paperclip or later on during the Cold War espionage campaigns. But apparently it is now cheating to pay professional flight trainers money to train people in a different country. So 🤷

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

Racism in my jingoism?

Impossible.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Ask any wannebe pro athlete: You can't steal talent.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

I am pretty sure that this is not new. I remember reading articles about this a few years back.

kagis

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-63293582

Ex-UK pilots lured to help Chinese military, MoD says