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[–] [email protected] 29 points 6 months ago (1 children)

GTK4 is the best thing about the update.

[–] vitriolix 11 points 6 months ago (1 children)

What does 4 bring that is good?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

GPU acceleration and much more modern UI design (no gradients, flat elements, no shadows and worse contrast). It also has a lot of limitations and deprecations compared to GTK3 but we're not talking about that. The app doesn't seem to use the official libadwaita theme though which is a shame because I love it

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

why dont we? what are the limitations?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

I'm not that advanced to give you a good answer here but basically some UI and backend elements from GTK3 don't exist in GTK4 and the last one has more limited theming support. The biggest issue is probably the random deprecation and breakage of older things during minor updates of GTK4. This all makes devs use GTK3 instead and not upgrading to GTK4. It's old, stable and feature-rich

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Note: much of the benefits and downsides of gtk4 you mentioned are actually libadwaitas up and downsides.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

Well sorry. I'm not a backend dev

[–] AProfessional 3 points 6 months ago

This is misleading. GTK4 is very themable.

However many projects use libawaita which forces a specific style, in order to design a complex and well integrated UI.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

My reaction to this delightful update:

Good Burger: I know some of these words!

[–] RestrictedAccount 7 points 6 months ago (2 children)

This looks like something that I would find extremely cool if I had any idea what it was.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 6 months ago (3 children)

It basically converts videos between formats, standards of compression, encoders, subtitles, dimensions.... It's pretty useful for trimming the size of a video to fit a particular medium.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

so it’s a GUI for ffmpeg?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

Kinda.

HandBrake's backend contains comparatively little original code; the program is an integration of many third-party audio and video libraries, both codecs (such as FFmpeg, x264, and x265) and other components such as video deinterlacers (referred to as "filters"). These are collected in such a manner to make their use more effective and accessible (e.g., so that a user does not have to transcode a video's audio and visual components in separate steps, or with inaccessible command-line utilities).

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago (2 children)

What is the benefit to using this as opposed to just straight ffmpeg?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

As far as I know it is just an ffmpeg wrapper

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago

In the days of DVDs, Blockbusters and Netflix sending out DVDs, this was mostly used to rip DVDs.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Great! Used it extensively a while ago, works great and the GTK4 port is really useful

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

What makes gtk4 on it useful?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (2 children)

So GTK3 doesn't have GPU acceleration?? Does Qt have it?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It seems that Qt5 and Qt6 have GPU acceleration in multiple areas, but I dont understand their landscape with QtWidgets etc.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago
[–] AProfessional 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

GTK3 did not. That’s a big reason 4 exists.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Hmm hmm idk why a new protocol(incompatibe with GTK3) is required for that feature

[–] AProfessional 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Well the core of a toolkits api is rendering… so when rendering is completely redesigned the api is going to change.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Meh, I use the UI for like ten minutes and let it transcode multiple collection of seasons over the course of a weekend.

It's a little nicer and a tad faster but it really doesn't make a big difference unless they improve transcoding speeds/quality. Otherwise I don't really touch it unless I buy a new box set or go to a garage sale.

If anyone's curious I rip full quality media with make mkv and point handbrake at the folder to compress it with hevc.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I'm not sure what your comment is supposed to contribute. Should the developers stop developing the software? What changes do you expect?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

You don't have to be combative, all I was saying is the gui doesn't make much difference to me. It worked perfectly fine before and I'm sure it'll keep working just as well as before.

What would make a bigger difference is improvements to the backend seeing that it effects over 90% of the experience and usability of the app. I spend less time in the gui than I do renaming files in my file manager or even the make mkv app.

I've already said that but I guess you didn't read past the first line. I didn't say give up on development I said who cares about a change in graphics toolkit.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

I agree with you that the gui toolkit is pretty uninteresting from the users pov, or at least mine. I do wonder if the multi-threaded transcoding pipeline changes in ffmpeg 7 will improve performance in handbrake at all. I'm not sure if Handbrake calls the ffmpeg cli or not.

https://www.phoronix.com/news/FFmpeg-CLI-MT-Merged

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

It's annoying but you can do multiple transcodes at a time on everything but Linux. It's only annoying because the complexity of h265 means it's highly serialized compared to older codecs.

I could easily handle multiple transcodes at a time on my 12 core processor with dvds but something like 4k blueray and sometimes hd blueray (depending on the complexity) saturates my processor. It doesn't run transcodes in a separate process

Did they add support in this version?