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[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago (7 children)

As a programmer, I'm ashamed to admit that the correct answer is no. If zero was natural we wouldn't have needed 10s of thousands of years to invent it.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago

Zero grew up from the seeds of the undefined, just like negative numbers and people who refuse to accept that the square root only has one value. Undefined is a pathway to many abilities some would consider unnatural.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago (6 children)

Other fun arguments in the same vein: Is atheism a religion? Is not playing golf a sport? For extra fun, try explaining the answers to both in a non-contradictory way.

[–] captainlezbian 4 points 6 months ago

No to both, though atheism can be a theological philosophy.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Zero is a number. Need I say more?

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[–] HexesofVexes 3 points 6 months ago (2 children)

N is the set of "counting numbers".

When you count upwards you start from 1, and go up. However, when you count down you usually end on 0. Surely this means 0 satisfies the definition.

The natural numbers are derived, according to Brouwer, from our intuition of time of time by the way. From this notion, 0 is no strange idea since it marks the moment our intuition first begins ^_^

[–] Maggoty 2 points 6 months ago (2 children)

0 is natural.

Source - programming languages.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

*Most programming languages

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

I don't personally know many programming languages that provide natural number type in their prelude or standard library.

In fact, I can only think of proof assistants, like Lean, Coq, and Agda. Obviously the designer of these languages know a reasonable amount of mathematics to make the correct choice.

(I wouldn't expect the same from IEEE or W3C, LOL

[–] Maggoty 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It's really just a joke about counting from 0 instead of 1.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

Oh, array indexing, sure.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

countable infinite set are unique up-to bijection, you can count by rational numbers if you want. I don't think counting is a good intuition.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago (4 children)

How can nothing be a number

[–] StuffYouFear 3 points 6 months ago

Wouldnt it be best to think of it more as the representation of the absence of something?

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

How about minus zero?

[–] werefreeatlast 2 points 6 months ago (2 children)

So 0 is hard. But you know what? Tell me what none-whole number follows right after or before 0. That's right, we don't even have a thing to call that number.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

I think p-adic has that

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