Welcome to the News community!
Rules:
1. Be civil
Attack the argument, not the person. No racism/sexism/bigotry. Good faith argumentation only. This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban. Do not respond to rule-breaking content; report it and move on.
2. All posts should contain a source (url) that is as reliable and unbiased as possible and must only contain one link.
Obvious right or left wing sources will be removed at the mods discretion. We have an actively updated blocklist, which you can see here: https://lemmy.world/post/2246130 if you feel like any website is missing, contact the mods. Supporting links can be added in comments or posted seperately but not to the post body.
3. No bots, spam or self-promotion.
Only approved bots, which follow the guidelines for bots set by the instance, are allowed.
4. Post titles should be the same as the article used as source.
Posts which titles don’t match the source won’t be removed, but the autoMod will notify you, and if your title misrepresents the original article, the post will be deleted. If the site changed their headline, the bot might still contact you, just ignore it, we won’t delete your post.
5. Only recent news is allowed.
Posts must be news from the most recent 30 days.
6. All posts must be news articles.
No opinion pieces, Listicles, editorials or celebrity gossip is allowed. All posts will be judged on a case-by-case basis.
7. No duplicate posts.
If a source you used was already posted by someone else, the autoMod will leave a message. Please remove your post if the autoMod is correct. If the post that matches your post is very old, we refer you to rule 5.
8. Misinformation is prohibited.
Misinformation / propaganda is strictly prohibited. Any comment or post containing or linking to misinformation will be removed. If you feel that your post has been removed in error, credible sources must be provided.
9. No link shorteners.
The auto mod will contact you if a link shortener is detected, please delete your post if they are right.
10. Don't copy entire article in your post body
For copyright reasons, you are not allowed to copy an entire article into your post body. This is an instance wide rule, that is strictly enforced in this community.
The maximum penalty for poaching one Chinook salmon – a species that is protected under the endangered species act – is $750 per fish. If officials assessed fines for every salmon killed, Heckathorn could be asked to pay nearly $14m
Fucking do it. Throw the entire library at this fucker.
To be fair, these are tiny juvenile fish, not adult fish which the authors of the law presumably had in mind. The article indicates that only two- to four-hundred of the juveniles were expected to survive long enough to return as adults, which would correspond to a fine of $150,000 to $300,000. Still more than this guy would probably ever actually pay...
So the law doesn't specify size? Sounds like dude owes 14mil
"a fertilized egg is a person"... Hm, so a salmon lays thousands of eggs and the male just mass fertilizes last I knew. I doubt the season matters much when they are kept in controlled environments. Wouldn't they breed year round as their birth place is there home? If so. Jump that number up by a lot. If someone murders a pregnant mother the judge doesn't say, well there is a x% chance it doesn't make it to adulthood.
Jurisprudence shouldn't be based on some random persons presumption.
The law says fish and doesn't specify age. Therefore I presume that's exactly what they meant.
Throw the book at him.
If I go out and kill a newborn fawn in the woods for shits and giggles without the appropriate tags, out of season, etc. it's still poaching, just the same as if I went out and killed an 8 point trophy buck I didn't have a tag for, took it home, ate it, mounted it's head on my wall, etc. That fawn may not have survived, it may not have grown into anything impressive, but at the end of the day I killed a deer I was not legally allowed to kill. The guy writing the law probably didn't have killing fawns for fun in mind, they probably pictured something more like the second example I gave, but I think most of us would agree that the fawn-killer should be punished just as or maybe even more harshly that the buck-killer.
I can't think of any good reason it shouldn't be the same for fish.
EDIT: also, usually with fishing regulations, there's also size limits, you can't keep a fish under a certain size, it has to be thrown back. These fish were almost certainly under the legal size. Not to mention creel limits, even if they were somehow all of a legal size, and even if he somehow did everything else legally (which he didn't,) I suspect the creel limit on salmon is significantly lower than 18,000
reads comment
Looks at user name
You made that up.
What are the costs to grow another cohort of fish? What is the time value of setting the program back for the number of years that it will take to get back to normal, and that is assuming that we can?
If only animal law was actually enforced like tree law...
He told law enforcement officials he had visited a storage area the day before and picked up a bottle of bleach
That sounds way too premeditated to be explained by simple mental illness.
After the past year, I can believe it.
I hope you never have to deal with a family member with paranoid schizophrenia.
way too premeditated to be explained by simple mental illness
Ah, you think it was complex mental illness?
In all seriousness though, moving a bottle of bleach the day before is still within the capability of someone experiencing an acute mental illness.
Of course, it's pure speculation either way at this point.
I'd argue that premeditating something like this is a rather strong indicator of some form of mental illness.
Why would you assume he is mentally ill? I didn't see that mentioned in the article.
Firstly, I don't read any assumption of mental illness in that comment - if anything the comment is rejecting mental illness. But given that there's no mention of any motive - and the difficulty in even thinking of one - mental illness is very reasonable to consider as a possibility.
This program was doing a good thing for the environment. It has long-lasting benefits for everyone. This is heartbreaking.
Yep same as that asshole that started that wild fire by multnomah falls. Garnish their wages for the rest of their lives. I don't want them to ever stop paying.
or the guy that pissed in the holding reservoir in Portland. The utility dumped all (I forget the exact number) 7 million gallons or so but his fine was in the thousands of dollars and not what the retail cost of that amount of water would be.
Wait what? Like an outdoor reservoir/lake like thing or something else?
correct. The one I am thinking about but can't find pre-coffee happened in the past couple of years but I found this one from ~10 years ago (38 Million gallons): https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2014/04/17/304128931/one-mans-pee-pushes-portland-to-flush-38m-gallons-of-water
That just seems like a bad call to me in ways ... Maybe this is more normal than I think, but ... what if fish get in there, ducks, other animals, some runoff, etc?
Part of that is mitigated by the size I imagine but that should also apply to human urine... I would think anyways?
Is there a motive?? I didn't see any mention in the article other than someone else asking the same question I have, why the hell did he do it?
I'm gonna guess meth + boredom considering he lives on the coast.
It just takes one asshole to ruin it for everyone else.
Bleach will affect the Salmon Population.