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I think it's just a bunch of literature graduates who are creating this hype around Shakespeare and sort of circlejerking and making it like a big thing so that their useless degree somehow remains relevant

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[–] Scotthomas 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

While I agree his language can be impenetrable for modern audiences, remember it's just hundreds of years of evolving linguistic norms that have made it that way.

He wasn't trying to be haughty when he wrote (the uneducated folk loved his work).

But his grasp of story structure, pacing and tension was intuitive and near flawless. In multiple genres.

And yes, I have a writing degree, so I'm in the circlejerk.

Edited: Ok, I see it now. I'm a total tosser. Sorry

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean, like it or not Shakespeare has been a cultural juggernaut for 4 centuries. I'm not sure a bunch of literature students could manage that kind of outsized impact!

These are just some of the words he invented that are in common use:

accommodation

aerial

amazement

apostrophe

assassination

auspicious

baseless

bloody

bump

castigate

changeful

clangor

control (noun)

countless

courtship

critic

critical

dexterously

dishearten

dislocate

dwindle

eventful

exposure

fitful

frugal

generous

gloomy

gnarled

hurry

impartial

inauspicious

indistinguishable

invulnerable

lapse

laughable

lonely

majestic

misplaced

monumental

multitudinous

obscene

palmy

perusal

pious

premeditated

radiance

reliance

road

sanctimonious

seamy

sportive

submerge

suspicious

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wow didn't know that - do you have a source for this?

Some words I can easily imagine replacing with synonyms, but how were people describing stuff like "exposure" or "suspicious" before Shakespeare, I'm dumbfounded :D

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sure, here's one source: https://www.shakespeare.org.uk/explore-shakespeare/shakespedia/shakespeares-words/. While it's not an academic paper, it's a registered charity, so I think it's probably a pretty reliable source

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Really interesting! Thanks!

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I wouldn't agree with it but it's definitely an unpopular opinion :D

To some extent, it might be the case that he is a little overhyped - but I would argue any artist that is so popular, is in danger of being overhyped. I only read "Romeo and Juliet" and "Hamlet" from his work, and I can appreciate his workshop - it's really good stuff that survived for many years and remained valid.

But to each their own - art is meant to serve you - if you don't like it, move on and try something different. Definitely better way of going on about things rather than sticking to it, and pretending to like it in fear of being laughed at for a simple reason of sticking out of the crowd.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I look at most of the classical composers in the same way. Beethoven, Bach, Mozart and the like have reason that they've been studied and reinterpretdd for as long as they have. Modern popularity doesn't have the persistance of time to judge against. As much as I might like the guys and their influence on modern music I can't imagine anyone will be studying the works of Ozzy Osbourne or Kurt Cobain 400 years from now.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Kurt Cobain I'm not sure, but the likes of Giorgio Moroder or Led Zeppelin definitely pioneered and excelled in their field and have as chance of joining the canon of "forever" remembered legends. We have to remember that in the times of William Shakespeare there were many successful writers, or in Beethoven times - remarkable composers. Only the pioneers and persons of interests made it to modern general consciousness.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

I mean I didn't graduate with a lit degree and spent my career in IT so I guess you can take a cross disciplinary endorsement. I was just a nerd.

His writing and timing are impeccable if you see it live, which is kind of lost on the page.

I found the histories worth reading because he's editorializing history in his time. You have to remember his audience was us plebs, so we get the gossip instead of the record. You know too many times in history the hot gossip got covered by... literally Shakespeare?

The fact that he's to the English language what the Beatles are to rock music feels eternally relevant too.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I haven't actually watched Shakespeare so I can't speak either way, but you might wanna actually watch (not read) his works before judging them.

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