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The value of an effective air defence system and of unwavering international support was crystal clear the night of Iran’s massive attack on Israel: most Iranian missiles and drones were destroyed before they reached Israeli soil. The US, the UK and France, as well as Jordan, participated in Israel’s defence.

Unlike Israel, Ukraine lacks sufficient air defences, and the west provides far less than it could or should to defend Ukraine against Russia. Ukraine is not dealing with one-off retaliation for striking a Russian consulate – as Israel is with Iran. Russia has been waging a war of aggression against Ukraine since 2014, aimed at eradicating its nationhood.

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[-] [email protected] 13 points 3 weeks ago

Israel doesn’t deserve a penny of protection, unlike Ukraine.

[-] [email protected] 11 points 3 weeks ago

Putin's win's carry more global weight, and every leader looking to just take land from other countries is watching.

[-] UnfortunateShort 5 points 3 weeks ago

I love how people are concerned about nukes. A lot of air-defense equipment has been delivered to Ukraine and for some time they were able to defend their skies quite well. There were/are much more direct problems than any potential escalation:

  1. Russia is firing much, much more (and prob. more lethal) stuff at Ukraine than all of Israels foes combined.

  2. Ukraine is a much, much bigger country than Israel, with many potential targets spread throughout. This massively complicates defense and logistics.

  3. Israel already had excellent air-defense when the conflict began, while Ukraine needed to arm up with whatever western nations feel they could spare.

  4. Many if not most of these nations weren't really prepared the sudden spike in anti-air demand, lacking the capabilities to replenish their equipment. At best they can provide munition, but getting new systems is a problem at this point. That's why for example a new Patriot production line is build in Germany.

[-] Pilferjinx 1 points 3 weeks ago

Let's not pretend Israel gets the royal treatment while Ukraine can barely get the scraps. I agree that nukes are very unlikely though

[-] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


The value of an effective air defence system and of unwavering international support was crystal clear the night of Iran’s massive attack on Israel: most Iranian missiles and drones were destroyed before they reached Israeli soil.

A recent missile attack on a power generation plant in the north means that hundreds of thousands, if not a million more Ukrainians could be forced to leave their homes by next winter.

Now that the US House of Representatives has finally passed a long-awaited package of military aid worth $61bn for Ukraine after months of stalling, it could hold the line, perhaps losing some more territory in the Donetsk region.

Making a state and a society function with a halved population, while fending off an invasion by one of the world’s largest armies, requires unimaginable resilience.

Belatedly, the realisation of a long war has dawned on the west, and arms production is being ramped up: by next year, European governments should be able to compensate for some of the current mismatch.

A diplomat stationed in Kyiv told us that when the EU moved to open accession negotiations with Ukraine last December, soldiers on the frontline were jubilant.


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[-] Dremor 2 points 3 weeks ago

I agree that Ukraine deserves way more than Israel, but there is some important difference that explains why there is no such defense possible.

First, there is a lot of friendly countries between Israel and Iran, which allowed the interception of the missiles in their airspace. As such, aircraft could intercept those missiles with close to no risks. Is it possible in Urkraine ? No it isn't.

Secondly Israel and Russia or both nuclear power, which Ukraine and Iran aren't. Intercepting those missile make US and allies cobelligerent, which they seem ok with as Iran cannot meaningfully hurt them. It the case of Russia, it will mean having a war between two nuclear "superpower", which mean a possible escalation toward whipping humanity, or at least a good chunk of it, from earth. No one can afford that.

[-] Ultragigagigantic 1 points 3 weeks ago

You don't understand, Palestinians suffering is more important. /$

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