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[-] [email protected] 66 points 1 month ago

Well yeah. What irritates me is that leftists aren’t asking for anything that big from Biden this time. They just want their government to stop funding and facilitating a genocide. They just want Biden to stop being wishy washy and come out definitively against this genocide, and take actions to discourage, and I can’t stress this enough, a fucking genocide.

And he’s saying “no.” And then democrats are trying to shame leftists for not voting for someone who won’t stop helping another country commit genocide.

It’s fucking insane.

[-] [email protected] 26 points 1 month ago

Your fundamental choices here are

A) A guy that's calling for a ceasefire


B) A guy that's calling on Israel to speed it up

If you don't vote for A, you're effectively voting for B.

I don't like it one bit, but that's why people--and I mean everyone--needs to learn to be strategic in their voting.

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[-] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago

It's not like in this particular topic there's much choice. Maybe a two party system isn't all that great?

[-] Bernie_Sandals 2 points 1 month ago

Okay yes true, then do the work then get us a non First Past The Post voting system that allows for more parties. Complaining at the last minute that you don't like the choices given, when you haven't put work into changing why those are the choices, means you're just shouting into the wind.

[-] Triasha 16 points 1 month ago

It is fucking insane, but it's nonsense to punish him by handing power the guy that wants to genocide harder.

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[-] return2ozma 39 points 1 month ago

Moore predicted the next presidential election will mirror Trump’s victory over Hillary Clinton in 2016 if Biden does not demand a ceasefire in the Israel-Hamas war. The filmmaker argued that Biden will end up losing battleground states like Michigan by a slim margin because voters upset with his support of Israel will stay home.

“Be a politician for once. What does a politician want most? To get reelected,” he said. “Why are you guaranteeing possibly losing the election and Trump being back in the White House? What is fricking wrong with you?”

[-] givesomefucks 65 points 1 month ago

That's the worst part.

Biden wants us to believe the worst thing that can happen to America is trump in office.

And he's right.

But instead of logically realizing that means he should be doing what voters want, he thinks that should mean he can do anything he wants, and if we don't like it that's not his fault.

It's exactly the same as Hillary in 2016.

Neoliberals don't want Republicans to be less extreme, they want Republicans to be so terrible that it makes the neoliberal standing next to them feel like a good option. Even if that means sometimes people like trump becomes president.

[-] [email protected] 29 points 1 month ago

So start sharpening the knives! Support grassroots leftist groups in your area. Support your local union, if you're a member, and maybe talk with them about what politicians they want to endorse.

The Democrats will only move further and further right, until they are indistinguishable from moderate Republicans, but right now every year a Democrat is in power is time for leftists to organise with the intent of breaking off. I've been getting a lot of hope from the pro-Palestinian protests I've been going to, I think they can be a great place to network with leftist groups if you're looking.

[-] grue 15 points 1 month ago

The Democrats will only move further and further right, until they are indistinguishable from moderate Republicans

First of all, wrong verb tense, and second, "until" implies they stopped when they reached that point.

The Democratic Party has been right of Eisenhower for a while now.

[-] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago

i've said this before, and i'll say this again: when the Dems lose, don't blame the Trump voters or the tiny amount of 3rd-party voters. They should blame themselves for not getting the gigantic bloc of non-voters to vote blue because they ran a candidate that people hated.

[-] Ensign_Crab 11 points 1 month ago

They will blame progressives regardless of how they vote.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago
[-] TokenBoomer 2 points 1 month ago

Same old story

[-] Zehzin 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I don't wanna brag but I can blame Dems and Trump voters at the same time. I'm built different.

Heck, in 2016 I even blamed the media obsession with Trump making him popular, I'll blame anything.

[-] generalpotato 5 points 1 month ago

Spitting facts. Dems have and will always have blood on their hands for making Trump what he is. Fucking Hilary’s campaign propped him up so that they could push the right to extremes and paint them an easy target.

Guess what happens when you play with fire?

[-] return2ozma 4 points 1 month ago

Don't forget to also blame Hillary for pushing Trump because she thought he would be the easiest to beat.

[-] TokenBoomer 1 points 1 month ago

Don’t forget god. What the heck has she been doing lately?

[-] Cryophilia 2 points 1 month ago

But instead of logically realizing that means he should be doing what voters want

The problem is that what you think voters want is different than what voters actually want.

There's a LOT of pro-Israel Democrat voters out there. You just don't associate with them.

You think Biden is supporting Israel for the funzies? Because he just loves genocide? Grow up. Biden has a lot of voters who want him to support Israel.

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[-] randon31415 20 points 1 month ago

He knows the pain of loosing a child, why is he supporting something that is causing 10s of thousands of parents to loose their children?

[-] Riccosuave 13 points 1 month ago

Because they aren't white children, and therefore they are entirely expendable in the eyes of the United States and Israeli political systems.

[-] cowfodder 12 points 1 month ago



Your point stands though. It's baffling. Literally the only good thing you can say is that Trump would have tried to send US troops by now.

[-] go_go_gadget -1 points 1 month ago

Because he's an evil person.

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[-] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

It's a really bad analogy. The only similarity would be losing to Trump. So just say that.

Hillary's problem was with late deciders because of a scandal, Moore is saying Biden's problem would be with people deciding based on official actions and policy choices. They're closer to opposites than analogous.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

Common Michael Moore W

[-] njm1314 7 points 1 month ago

I didn't realize that Michael Moore was still alive. I'm sitting here shocked to learn that he's still kicking.

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