Would love to see how this meme would look if democrat presidents ever got a democrat majority... You know... Like republicans keep getting thanks to voter suppression and gerrymandering.
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Yeah like that time Obama had it?
Man I've been debunking that argument for years now. Yay propaganda power.
So the long story short is, he had the count on paper, but a series of different members from his party being incapacitated due to injury, illness, and old age, as well as a few DINOs (Democrats in name only) who preferred to vote with the Republicans, meant he never really had an actual majority on the hill. But yes on paper.
Right, because Manchin is not a democrat when it matters.
Obama had one I thought and he still half assed health care.
He had a filibuster proof majority for a total of 4 months and passed one of the largest healthcare reforms ever, with the GOP trying to sabotage literally everything along the way. I wish they would've taken a bat to Lieberman's knees to get the public option in, but I don't know how anyone could consider Obama's efforts half assed.
Giving insurance companies a seat at the table when making the bills seems pretty half assed to me, but I’m not an American. Maybe your healthcare system is secretly awesome.
Yeah it's a shit system. I'm well aware of that. No one with a functioning brain thinks we have a good system.
Everything stems from our inability to keep money out of politics. They lobby with billions of dollars in bribes. They own legislators. You can literally buy votes in Congress for under $10k. Even if you don't give them a seat at the table, they're at the table. I'd rather we deal with their bullshit face to face rather than through shadow campaigns of influence.
Was certainly not half assed.
ok but he made more progress than any other president in recent history so..
The best smelling shit is still shit bro.
and republicans still smell worse in every case
Well the dems keep moving to the right in lock step with the repubs so I don’t hold them much less accountable. The issue I have is the dems should know better. That’s what makes me so angry at them.
There's already an enlighten centrism lemmy community?
Republicans: block basically every attempt at social goods making their way into public hands
Centrists: "Bro why are democrats ass at governing"
Granted, I think there are certain things Dems suck balls at governing in. But that stuff is largely at the local level in progressive cities where Dems easily hold the power.
Local Dem governments tend to be infested with NIMBYs and everything bagel liberalism, which ends up exacerbating the housing crisis and everything that comes along with that. As an example, look at the NIMBY rat nest that is San Francisco politics. Not that Repubs are better locally, either; they also tend to be infested with NIMBYs, on top of all the usual GOP malarkey.
All that to say Dems are almost universally better than GOP at state and federal level, but you really gotta go on a candidate-by-candidate basis amongst Dems at the local level. Many are great, while many others are hot NIMBY garbage.
Right on the money tbh
Centrists: “Bro why are all these old people ass at governing” FIFY
That's definitely not the argument I see centrists making, maybe occasionally. But then again most people are tired of old fuckers in office
I mean, the meme isn't centrist. Even if the meme is literally 100% accurate, the reasonable thing would be to be a democrat. I'd take someone who can't govern over someone who is literally evil every time.
Beyond that, the idea of the meme I think is accurate. The Dem do suck, in a lot of ways. They're also, not as bad as the Republicans. So I'll politically support the dems, even if I'm not exactly going to be jumping for joy about doing so.
I don't think its 'centrist' to say that the two party systems is set up to overwhelmingly support the interests of the wealthy, no matter which of the two parties are in power.
You see centrist, I see far-left
Why is this so accurate…
Ignorance.