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Like why do they care how many times I go to porn hub every day or that nothing gets me harder than a free use MILF? Why do they care that I don't know how to spell consistency so I have to Google it every 3 months.

What the fuck is wrong with people?

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[–] [email protected] 150 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

It is not about having your particular data. Is about the aggregated data of a population. On a shallow level that information can be used to engineer ads to appeal to a greater audience. On a deeper level, population dynamics can be used for nefarious purposes such as driving them to an agreement that wasn't in their best interest. Brexit and the Trump election are two examples of this being possible thanks to data from Cambridge Analytica. See voting paradoxes and Asimov's psychohistory that each day is getting farther from fictional.

[–] Daft_ish 55 points 7 months ago (4 children)

Oh, so evil shit.

It's just sureal to me. Since they know I was up till 2:00am on a Wednesday wrenching my hog like there was a million dollars hidden inside Donald Trump was elected president.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Basically knowledge of us is power over us.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 7 months ago

Absolute poetry.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)

okay wrenching my hog is a new one lmao

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

Yep, I only knew wrestle the chicken yet.

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[–] hperrin 39 points 7 months ago (6 children)

Money.

Your data can help sell you stuff. If they know you’re into MILFs, they can sell advertising to the MILF companies. Then you see a bunch of MILF ads. The more they know, the more they can target you. Eventually we’ll have ads in our dreams like in Futurama.

[–] taiyang 14 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Jokes on you, he probably already has MILF dreams!

[–] bhamlin 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Upgrade those MILFs to GILFs with this one weird trick!

[–] taiyang 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You know, knowing advertising algorithms, expect a lot of mistakes like that in your dreams, thanks to the users-like-you-also-like thing they do. "Thirsty GILF scatporn near you!"-- the future is bleak.

[–] bhamlin 4 points 7 months ago

But golden showers sound so optimistic!

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

The more they claim they know about you the more they can charge for ads. I have recently realized that Google, Facebook and such are not only powerful because they aggregate data, but rather because they can sell their product (=your attention) to other companies very, very well. People often claim companies would not pay for advertisements had they didn't work β€” I claim otherwise; they pay for advertisements because Google falsely claims how effective they are and that's why they need to collect your data and be able to show that to their customers to boost their (Google's) sales. In other words they don't do that to sell the customers product well (the one that has been advertised) but rather sell their own product, which is ad space.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I've heard this a few times. It's certainly compelling to me, I guess it's obviously a hard thing to know given it will be heavily debated by those companies and it's always going to be obscured by them to maintain a mystique, whether it works or doesn't since in both cases it helps to keep everyone a little bit in the dark.

Part of this idea that the surveillance economy is not nearly as effective at controlling consumer behavior as claimed makes me wonder if I'm being unnecessarily paranoid when I jealously guard my privacy since it seems it could be that my data is taken potentially in service of nothing. Nevertheless I instinctively just don't want to take the risk that hooverig up all that data really does work for manipulation and control.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

I don't think it's paranoid. Best case scenario, they really are using your data ineffectively, which imo is still bad because you are not getting any benefit from it. But worst case scenario is a government coming into power that abuses this data to extents we can't possible fathom today.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Do you have money? If so, knowing all your secrets and quirks is a good way to get a dollar off of you for slightly less than a dollar.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Why are tech company's

They're trying to track the patterns of people who attempt to pluralise words by using apostrophes. It's funded by linguists studying language change.

[–] mojo_raisin 9 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Better watch out, they also go after people use "s" instead of "z" in "pluralize".

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

You're not safe either, I heard they're also after people who forget to use the word "who".

[–] mojo_raisin 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] Insig 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] mojo_raisin 6 points 7 months ago

You mean, mother fuck whom

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago
[–] [email protected] 32 points 7 months ago

Wall of text, I know, but I had trouble sleeping so... Yeah... Here goes;

Knowledge is power.

Here in Sweden there's a service that has been pouring money on marketing the last two years. The service is called House ID and they let you store all important documents about your house for free.... Free... Free?

So what will they make money on?

Well, let's jump 10 years into the future and just imagine the possibilities.

Criminals can easily check what house owners have upgraded their locks or purchased home alarm systems. They could even purchase data about all the houses in an area that has a specific lock type with a known flaw.

Your phone is, with all its sensors, a fantastic surveillance device and people happily take it with them wherever they go.

In the 90's, when I worked for IBM, the buzzword was "Data mining". Ordinary people never understood what it was and I was often asked about it. Extremely simplified: look at the data you have and try to read between the lines to generate data that you originally didn't have.

The biggest chain of convenient stores in Sweden launched banking services and a pay card around this time. If you used the card for grocery shopping you'd get a monthly bonus and great offers and discounts. So I gave an innocent example of what your purchase data could be used for. They could see that a woman purchased pads on fairly the same time each month or quarter. Now, when cross checking this with purchase history from other women they could see that a lot of those women also purchased chocolate at the same time they purchase pads. Something something with a lot of women getting cravings of chocolate around the same time each month. Yes, it's a generalization but still a real life example in this case. So they sent out coupons for chocolate, matching the time around when the customer normally purchased pads, and what do you know? The sale of chocolate increased. Significantly.

Now, pads isn't a very sensitive subject of you're older than 15... But think what data Tinder registers. They can't know for sure if you're liberal, conservative or even a communist... or can they? By looking at your behavior in their app, what you did, where (Tinder uses GPS, remember?) you did it and when you did it, they can draw conclusions about a lot of things that you never intended to share with them.

Today there are sensors placed strategically in shopping malls that registers what store windows you stopped to look at. They actually know, with a pretty high certainty, exactly what product in the window that caught your attention. How they can be so accurate you say? Because you have Bluetooth activated and the mall app installed. They just triangulate your exact position.

All of this is data about you that is correct. You did all of that and it was registered.

But what if corrupted data was registered? What if that data was the basis for you getting a loan for your dream house? How do you correct a conclusion that is obviously wrong when the bank just tells you that what data they purchase, from who and how they process it is a business secret and they refuse to share any details.

Now, all sorts of data has always been collected but in the old time it was stored on paper and cross comparison/compiling data was an expensive and tedious task. Today it is not. Today your phone could store and process data that would take months to process in the old times.

That slowness/inertia acted as a law of nature, protecting us and our life from being mapped.

It's not just that data is collected or what data is collected... It's what it might be used for that should bother you. Not only what is used for today but also what it could be used for tomorrow.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 7 months ago

Fun story: me and my wife kept talking about our nasty neighbour we call "the slug" and she got "Slug removal tips" on her YouTube suggestions.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Q: "Why are companies ..."

A: Money.

Every time. Sometimes also some competitive advantage or image or by mistake, but even those are just money with extra steps.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 7 months ago (2 children)

It all comes down to targeted advertising. They'll cluster you and other people with similar interests in groups, determine statistic likelihoods of buying/using/subscribing to certain products or services, and then blow up every channel with stuff you might like.

Maybe a MILF hunter with mild dyslexia is exactly the right audience for cat food and entry level red wine?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

The important part being that other companies are very willing to spend a lot of money on targeted advertising, enough to make up for all of the costs of the aggregated data plus a tidy amount of profit for the companies that collect the data.

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[–] seaQueue 26 points 7 months ago (9 children)

Because your data is used to make models of your behavior and opinions. Once someone knows exactly what you do and don't like it's really easy to frame purchase and political decisions so that they sound like something you want, even if they're really good for someone else.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 7 months ago (1 children)

they’re interested because they profit from the marketing based on the data

[–] WhatAmLemmy 16 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

More specifically β€” by matching all of your purchases with every data point about you, and the people you associate with, they can build out statistical models to determine the data points that most strongly correlate to people like you and what motivates or persuades them to GENERATE MORE PROFIT β€” direct purchases, attention, clicks, discussion, word of mouth, lead generation, etc, etc...

Or... You know... What motivates/persuades you to support a dictator or vote for a specific political candidate or party, as well as what demotivates/dissuades you from the opposition β€” including what types of psychological warfare, disinformation, deepfakes, "fake news", and lies are most successful in achieving these goals β€” all of which benefits the most horrifically immoral and unethical criminals, corporations, and individuals the most (the "good guys" aren't the ones using deception and lies to profit and win).

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 7 months ago

Because digital advertising dollars has been in a bubble since click-through ads and for some reason nobody has noticed.

[–] franklin 12 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

To put it succinctly they aren't. They're interested in aggregate data so that a data engineer can use it to understand consumer trends and better predict marketing reach.

It's not specifically about you, it's more of a what they can claim to know about their consumers.

[–] Shotgun_Alice 9 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Pixar seeing a rise in milf web searches: Ok boys it’s time to release another movie with a mom who has a dump truck ass.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

Dump-truck-ass Pixar Moms are my kryptonite.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago

How much do FANG companies pay for such posts? I'm interested in making a career.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago

I can't find the source to save my life, but I believe it was a Google engineer who once said "with enough data, every problem is a regression problem".

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago (11 children)

Pick up habits, profiling so they can know what you are interested in and the areas you frequent to target you more efficiently. More likely for directed advertising but can also be for influencing.

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[–] itsnotits 8 points 7 months ago

Why are tech companies* so interested

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

They are interested in your data because you are human and you do human things, the more they understand you and your activities the better they can gather knowledge for economical decisions such as Ads, Trends etc.

Most commonly they use this information to manipulate you into using their services or changing your preferences by marketing and Ads. The more they understand you the more effective it is.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

A spooky thing I noticed at one point I could search a rather vague query and Google was returning results in the programming language I was working with when the query was general enough to have been any language.

[–] RizzRustbolt 5 points 7 months ago

Because the last bastion of zombie capitalism is pushing money around.

Folks buy this information because there are other folks willing to buy this information. And so on... and so on...

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

The simple answer: the more they know about you the more money they can make by selling it.

this article has some insights on the value topic.

this Reddit post also has some good information regarding this subject.

Lastly, this scandal

I hope this helps, please feel to correct me if I’ve misunderstood something.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (2 children)
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