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[–] Rhynoplaz 42 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Ok, so I read the back of the card and was curious what "Public Law 92-500 Section 2" said and how it gives these people super powers.

As far as I can tell, it's the Clean Water Act from 1972 and it authorizes federal funds to build sewage plants, and regulations on what you are allowed to dump in the water.

Am I looking at the wrong Public Law? Or is this just a random set of numbers to make it sound official?

Obviously, I didn't expect to find what they think is in there, but I expected at least something that could be misinterpreted as such.

[–] somewhiteguy 30 points 8 months ago (4 children)

Reading the whole Section, it seems they are leaning on this one phrase:

"SEC. 505. (a) Except as provided in subsection (b) of this section, any citizen may commence a civil action on his own behalf "(1) against any person (including (i) the United States, and (ii) any other governmental instrumentality or agency to the extent permitted by the eleventh amendment to the Constitution) who is alleged to be in violation of (A) an effluent standard or limitation under this Act or (B) an order issued by the Administrator or a State with respect to such a standard or limitation,

Which is duplicated here in some part here: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/33/1365

They're very good at looking at the letter of the law without considering the context or purpose of why it was written. Any number of logical fallacies are used to jump every shark possible.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 8 months ago (1 children)

under this Act

So they choose not to read these words right here? Because they might have a point if this and everything else after it were left off, but this literally only gives them authority to act in regards to this one specific law about water treatment.

I guess you have to be used to taking things wildly out of context to fall in with the sovcit crowd...

[–] LemmyKnowsBest 7 points 8 months ago

Maybe they figure since politicians can bullshit their way through everything, then SovCits should be able to BS their way through everything too. Can't blame 'em for being sick of government & political BS. But don't get me wrong, I have no intentions of joining the ranks of the sovcit movement anytime soon.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago

Well, sobbies are untreated effluent released into the environment.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

Is that use of "effluent" referring to sewage!? Please let that be true, it would be amazing.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Are you sure, jumping the shark is the correct phrase here?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

As long as its in red ink

[–] owenfromcanada 32 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Okay so this appears to be

a picture

of a screen

showing a picture

with a differently-sized picture

of their phony ID.

Do I have that right?

[–] BonesOfTheMoon 16 points 8 months ago

Sure.

[–] muffedtrims 29 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

The website on the back at the bottom is just a parked domain, nationalrepublicregistry.com

And nsea.us is also coming soon... Copyright 2007

[–] LemmyKnowsBest 7 points 8 months ago

Yikes. They better get busy making those websites appear real if they ever expect to be taken seriously

[–] homesweethomeMrL 25 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

“Sex: woman”

Lol

[–] BonesOfTheMoon 17 points 8 months ago

Sometimes their IDs say "Genus: Masculine".

[–] Potatos_are_not_friends 7 points 8 months ago

I'm laughing too hard at

Non-resident, non-domicile.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

Odd. My sovcit state national county ID says “Sex: when I can”.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 8 months ago

Not a valid ID. No thumbprint and the signature isn't at a 45 degree angle.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I AM SOVCIT also American national, now gief moniez pleze

[–] Rhynoplaz 6 points 8 months ago

Who am I to argue with a piece of laminated cardboard?

Help yourself to whatever you find!

[–] RizzRustbolt 9 points 8 months ago

Of course they're an Uppie.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago

Supreme, national, competent?

At least a couple of these are wrong.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago

I love how much text is squeezed on to the back of the card, any design/formatting to match the front just goes away under a truckload of word salad.

[–] andrewta 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Wtf?!

[–] BonesOfTheMoon 5 points 8 months ago

Lemmy introduce you to sovereign citizens.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

What’s with the weird flag?

[–] wjrii 10 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

It’s a misinterpretation of the flag that flew on a US Customs house two hundred years ago. I’m a bit fuzzy on why they like it so much, but I think it’s something like the “real” flag is part of the oppressive fake government and this one is the one that represents a proper civil and voluntary association of sovereign citizens in “America”.

[–] dejected_warp_core 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Non-citizen National ID

The sheer dissonance of this one thing just set my brain on fire.

no tacit/implied contract accepted

Honestly, if I could carry a magic talisman that made me immune to EULAs, posted signage I didn't read, and the like, I'd buy it. But then we'd all be doing that.

[–] BonesOfTheMoon 3 points 7 months ago

Isn't it wild? They are so batshit.

[–] Globeparasite 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

so... that thing says "exempt from foreign jurisdiction" What the fuck does that even mean ? Do they really think that if they go to like France, this piece of paper will prevent french police from doing whatever they are authorized to do ?

[–] AnUnusualRelic 4 points 7 months ago

They cannot, it says "do not detain, do not hold" right there.