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[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Wow. Thats rich. Meanwhile American ICE cars are spying on you.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Are foreign spies not worse than domestic spies?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

For the average person? Likely not. China is not going to monetize how many times you play a tswift song or stop into kfc and harrass you with ads/etc.

For the country as a whole? Maybe worse, as those total domestic patterns may be dangerous in aggregate.

Still, its all horse and pony show. The US data brokers will gladly sell unlimited data to China. All Chinese cars would do is cut out of the middleman by collecting the data themselves.

The real, correct action is too outlaw data harvesting period, but there is too much of our economy based on it, so here we are, talking about individual app bans for chinese social media like tiktok and chinese car data harvesting instead of all social media or all car data harvesting.

[–] evenglow -5 points 9 months ago

EVs are not spies. China gets more intel from former government employees than they do from people's cell phones or TikTok. Indeed is used for spying more than anything because people advertise their experience and makes it super easy for spies to find who to contact.

You don't see spies sneaking around at night breaking into cars to access info stored on the cars computer. When was the last hack of legacy auto servers with telemetry data?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Yes, and these aren't at odds with each other. Evidently both nations are trying to further their own national interests.

[–] evenglow 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I have a crazy idea, hang on with me here.

USA : So you want to sell cars in the number 2 car market?

China : Sure.

USA : But what about all the spying you want to do?

China : We don't want to spy on drivers.

USA : Bullshit.

China : OK how about this. We build a car with no capability of spying. EV with 100kwh, USB port, and big screen. It would be super low priced and undercut legacy auto because they cannot make one.

USA : No. And now that you mention it we are bumping up tariffs just in case.

If spying is the issue then like safety it can go through security certification as well as crash safety certification. But I don't think spying is the real issue at hand here. I have an ebike with Chinese electronics, motor, and batteries. Pretty sure it doesn't spy on me and yet it is still highly usable for transportation.

If people want spying capability they can buy the more expensive option from legacy auto. After decades and decades of blocking EVs this is just delay to get legacy auto onboard with EVs. It's a bad idea.

[–] Pretzilla 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

They build spying capacity into the chips.

The only way to certify is to remove all chips that could cross communicate.

[–] evenglow 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

And do you think that inspection has been done at that level for the past 30 years for all consumer electronics? USA buying stuff from China ain't new.

It's called chain of custody. Most people use software. Especially phishing.

[–] Pretzilla 2 points 9 months ago

FYI US government workers are forbidden to use uncertified Chinese chips in their data comms.

Anything that connects to the net can be compromised into a spy box. Go visit the Spy Museum and see what I'm talking about.

But yea, no one gives a shit about your talking Furby - unless it is wifi or BT connected.