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Between groceries and restaurants, Americans are spending more of their income on food than they have in 30 years.

That's according to the latest data from the USDA, which shows that U.S. consumers spent more than 11% of their disposable income on eating — whether at home or at a restaurant — in 2022, the highest percentage since 1991.

"This is really a metric that's about the share of our disposable personal income which the USDA tracks, and which recently was at essentially a 31-year high," Jesse Newman, food reporter for the Wall Street Journal, told CBS News.

Experts say painfully high food prices, and ongoing inflation more generally, help explain why many Americans are down on the economy despite low unemployment, rising wages and steady economic growth. Inflation is expected to continue slowing this year, with the National Association for Business Economists on Monday forecasting that the Consumer Price Index (CPI) — a basket of common goods and services — will decline to an annual rate of 2.4% this year, compared with 4.1% in 2023 and 8% in 2022.

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[–] [email protected] 129 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (5 children)

I really wish the media would stop spouting this tripe about lots of jobs, rising wages, and economic growth. None of those things are actually happening in ways that benefit average people.

[–] superduperenigma 53 points 9 months ago (3 children)

My raise this year: .

Inflation this year: ⚪

Thanks, boss. Appreciate it.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

This is by design. Inflation is designed to make you work harder to justify a raise that barely keeps your standard of living intact.

More profits for your boss, same standard of living (or lower) for you....

Inflation is wildly out of control now, but even pre-pandemic, the central bank's 2% target inflation is designed to make you work harder for nothing in return

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

2% inflation isn't designed to hurt workers, it's meant to encourage investment in the economy. It helps workers and people who are net borrowers.

If you are a net borrowers, you pay that back with future dollars. Inflation reduces the value of future dollars. Let's say you get a 3% raise but inflation is 3%. Your boss is being stupid and you basically didn't get a raise.

But if your mortgage is $2,000 per month, you now have 3% more money to pay it off. That's because your mortgage doesn't increase with inflation. So the inflation helps you pay off your loans.

It's the same with businesses. Investors could either loan money out or invest directly in businesses. Higher inflation makes them more likely to invest in their businesses, because money sitting in the bank loses value due to inflation. This causes them to hire more people.

2% is a good sweet spot that encourages borrowing and investing in businesses, but isn't too high. Obviously the problem now is that inflation remains above 2%, and there has been no relief from past increases. It would be much better if minimum wage was increased to help out people at the bottom deal with them.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (3 children)

I made about $10k more this year than last year, still struggling with food costs.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

I like how central banks and economists only truly got spooked once wage inflation was a thing

[–] [email protected] 41 points 9 months ago

I can't speak for everyone else, but my hourly rate increased.

It was still less then inflation, benefits cut and hours reduced, but "Promotion!"

/s

[–] IamLost 30 points 9 months ago

Yep, the CEO of our multi-billion dollar company recently sent an email congratulating everyone on a job well done and record profits this quarter, yet our department laid off everyone they newly hired and cut all our hours. My boss said he's worked here for 30 years and he's never seen cost cutting like this. It's disgusting.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

"When a metric becomes a target it ceases to be a useful metric"

[–] Sylver 4 points 9 months ago

As someone working for a small business owner, I sure as fuck wish the economy would boom so my wage could go up as well. We just don’t have any customers with expendable income, and our products are on a “wanted not needed” priority. If I had the capital to start my own, more successful, business, I would.

[–] [email protected] 58 points 9 months ago (4 children)

I'm not rich but I do pretty well, and I honestly cannot understand how the vast majority of people can afford to eat dinner. We try to eat mostly fresh, home cooked foods and it costs a fucking fortune.

[–] billiam0202 33 points 9 months ago (1 children)

You should try eating shitty ultra-processed foods instead. They're much cheaper.*

*"Cheaper" only refers to cost of food and does not in any way refer to increased health-care costs related to poor diet.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago

My experience has been the exact opposite...the processed stuff in boxes has gone way up in price, but most of our produce has stayed pretty stable. Fresh berries have gotten a lot more expensive, but we just get frozen ones which are much cheaper. Seems like we're always able to find great deals on melons, oranges, avocados, carrots, zucchini, etc. All hail HEB

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

I find cutting meat makes a massive difference

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[–] foggy 52 points 9 months ago (9 children)

My coworker spent $17 on a whopper meal 5 days in a row.

Homie dropped $85 on whoppers this week. Like wtf

$50 would sound whack as fuck.

A nearby hotel currently has a $26 cheeseburger on their menu, and a few $12 drafts. 2 beers and a burger at $50 before tax and tip, looking at like $65.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 9 months ago (1 children)

For $85 here I could make steak for dinner every weeknight. But I was in the same trap as he was for a while.

[–] foggy 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Yeah Ive been there. But... That was when 2 mcdoubles and a 10 piece nug ran me like $5.

2 mcdoubles and a 10 piece nug today is $13 before tax.

[–] EdibleFriend 13 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I want you to understand that if he ever complains about money you have the internet's permission to slap the ever living fuck out of him.

[–] foggy 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

He makes half of what I make (he's new/young). He has 3 kids. He has a galaxy s24 ultra. He has a PS5.

Me and fellow coworkers keep trying to get him into PC gaming. "I donno I can't drop that kinda money."

🤷‍♂️

I even gave him a $500 build list and told him I'd build it lol.

[–] EdibleFriend 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago

And then the restaurant association goes on the news whining about "nobody wants to eat out any more".

[–] FlyingSquid 4 points 9 months ago

This isn't anywhere near that expensive, but there's a local cafe my daughter likes me to take her to. A chai latte for me and a smoothie and a yogurt parfait for her (our usual) costs $20. And they're a lot cheaper than plenty of other places offering similar fare.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Dude, $17 gets me a giant plate of local Mexican food and a Modelo. Who tf is spending that at Burger King

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[–] [email protected] 51 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Gee, I wonder what could be causing this?

“There are other factors that contribute to inflation that have not received enough attention. One of those factors is extreme price hikes — in other words, companies raising prices far more than required to offset higher costs even when accounting for shifts in supply and demand, resulting in the highest profit margins we have ever seen in the last 70 years,”

https://thehill.com/business/3756457-corporate-profits-hit-record-high-in-third-quarter-amid-40-year-high-inflation/

[–] babypigeon 24 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 15 points 9 months ago

Yup. Nothing like decades of GQP policies allowing companies to create what are essentially monopolies. Merger after merger without government intervention means competition is dying and companies can and do charge whatever they want.

[–] garretble 48 points 9 months ago (1 children)

“Cereal Company CEO, why is a box of cereal now $6?”

“Well, you see, we wanted to stick it everyone. Cheerios don’t cost that much, but what are we gonna do, not screw everyone?”

[–] GrymEdm 21 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

Haven't you heard? Cereal is now for dinner too according to Kellogg's CEO, and I guess that means it can be more expensive! But shhh, don't tell your nutritionist because they'll let you know that most modern cereal is actually more of a snack than something suitable for a main meal. You'd think access to affordable, nutritious food would be a pretty basic human right for countries to ensure, but instead we have things like cereal prices rising an average 28% since 2020 (12% in the last year alone).

[–] ExfilBravo 12 points 9 months ago

I buy that cheap shit in the huge ass bag. Fuck Kelloggs.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago

I’m convinced that asshole brought up cereal for dinner because most people will skip breakfast when trying to cut food costs. I know I do

[–] snausagesinablanket 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Not to leave out the boxes getting smaller.

[–] GrymEdm 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Hear hear. Shrinkflation is maddeningly annoying.

[–] NineMileTower 27 points 9 months ago (2 children)
[–] Boozilla 11 points 9 months ago

steps on scales

Dammit, NineMileTower is onto something.

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[–] Boozilla 16 points 9 months ago (4 children)

A little curious how much is being spent on delivery services. Not trying to sound like boomer punching down. Like everyone else, I've noticed the significantly higher prices at grocery stores. But I've also noticed a lot of my coworkers use food delivery apps when our office is a very short drive to two groceries and a dozen restaurants. And we get an hour for lunch.

[–] MotoAsh 5 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I don't see how allowing someone else to grab and deliver the same amount of groceries should have any baring what so ever on prices. It doesn't change demand, it changes the final delivery mechanism after the point of sale.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It doesn't change demand, but it does change pricing and shift demand to convenience.

[–] tootoughtoremember 8 points 9 months ago

If Moto's experience is the same as what I've seen, choosing delivery over purchasing in person doesn't just add a delivery charge, but also increases prices across the board, and then adds a service charge for delivery.

I suppose the argument for groceries is that an employee's time is spent collecting the goods before the delivery method. But in a fast food scenario where everything is made to order, regardless of dine-in, dine-out, drive-thru, or delivery, an increased price point across the board, before the delivery surcharge, is tough to accept. Though I understand that if restaurants aren't managing their own deliveries, they are often embedding third-party delivery app charges in their prices.

All of that to say, while I understand the arguments, I also know there's profit being made at each step, and they can only keep gouging for so long before the whole house of cards comes crumbling down.

[–] testfactor 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

He's not saying it was pushing prices. He was saying it was potentially a big driver of the OP headline.

Yes, prices are going up, but a potential big factor in the increase of spending on food could be associated delivery costs.

They are likely considered part of "money spent on food" as calculated by the study, and have been a much more prevalent thing since the pandemic.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

I've seen delivery drivers picking up orders at 7-11.

Boggles the mind that someone would pay essentially double for a hoagie.

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[–] charles 14 points 9 months ago

February was the month we finally broke and said "absolutely no more schedule eating out". We were getting eaten alive (pun intended) in our budget by lunch costs that add up so much faster than they used to.

[–] shadowSprite 10 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I'm curious what the long term health affects of this are going to be as people are forced to eat less and less. Yes, it may help with obesity, but what about malnutrition? I'm overweight, but I've lost a fuck ton of weight in the last year from not being able to afford food and I'm at the point where it's not uncommon to go a day or 3 without eating. And it's only going to get worse for me. I just went to the grocery store today and bought food for the first time in a month and some sandwich fixings/bread, a pound of chicken, 2 tomatoes, a container of greens and two small bags of snacks cost over $50. Hopefully I can stretch that for a few weeks.

[–] poprocks 13 points 9 months ago

I'm so sorry for what you're going through. Check out local food banks - they typically don't ask questions and you can go to multiple food banks if you need to. Good luck to you.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago

In case you don't understand who you should actually be mad about here, it's not fucking inflation when (the 6 remaining) food companies are making record profits, and have been for 3 years now.

[–] Crow 8 points 9 months ago

And here I am just stealing more food than ever.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago

I barely remember the H.W. Bush recession. I didn't remember this aspect of it.

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