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Was just talking at dinner with family, and it seems a logical action to ban circumcision, as in most cases, doesn't have consent, and is a major (genitals are important) body modification. Can we ban it at the state level? Just a thought.

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[–] UltraMagnus0001 -1 points 10 months ago

Sperm is life, protect sperm from being desecrated and thrown up everywhere.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Just because something is banned doesn't mean we should ban other things to make it "fair".

As another poster noted, not all parents are great. Not all parents want to do the work of cleaning their babies. Circumcision might be the best option for them. Maybe the baby doesn't even have proper parents to care for them. Maybe circumcision is needed for medical purposes. There's a million reasons we shouldn't speculate into, as it's none of our business.

Everyone on both sides of the argument should stop hyper focusing on people's genitals. Let people make their own decisions. We don't need the government saying what we can and can't do. Whenever the government intervenes, they inevitably fuck things up. Live and let live. Don't want to get circumcised or don't want your kid to? Then don't. But don't force people to do something because you believe it in. It doesn't make anyone any better than the people they are arguing against, even if their intentions are good.

As a final note, I do support everyone's right to modify their body however they see fit, including gender affirming care. If a parent makes a decision on their baby's behalf, then that is the parents decision, and no law should be able to dictate otherwise.

I'm open to having my mind changed, but this just seems like the pendulum swinging too far in the other direction.

[–] spirinolas 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I do support everyone's right to modify their body however they see fit, including gender affirming care

Well...this seems sensible. It's a personal decision so it's everyone's right...

If a parent makes a decision on their baby's behalf, then that is the parents decision, and no law should be able to dictate otherwise.

Oh, I see. Except the baby.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Lmao right? What a ridiculous thing to say.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Should parents not have the right to make decisions on behalf of their own children, until they develop the faculties to make their own decisions?

A baby isn't aware that it may need to be circumcised for any reason.

What's the correct response here? Like I said, I'm open to other ideas, but babies cannot make decisions for themselves.

[–] spirinolas 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Not if it implies cutting off parts of their body for no medically accepted reason.

If he has a medical issue and circumcision is the solution, sure. If it's for the common bulshit reasons, hell no, why is that even a question?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Sure, sure, fair enough. But who gets to dictate if the reason is valid. You? Me? The government? I don't think any of those is an acceptable answer. To me, the answer is the parents, and their medical practitioner. It shouldn't be anyone else's business.

[–] spirinolas 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Medical decisions are decided by a medical doctor. This is not hard.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 10 months ago (4 children)

.... Right. So we agree.

The long and short of my argument is that the government shouldn't have a say in any of it. Banning circumcision and banning gender affirming care are both stupid decisions. Anyone advocating for government intervention in personal matters is no better than all the bible thumpers injecting their religious beliefs into social policy. It's a slippery slope when we vote to give the government power, as they seldom relinquish it. Just because the government exerts its power enforcing something you fundamentally believe in doesn't mean it's correct. The pendulum swings both ways, and just because it benefits your cause now does not mean it always will.

Furthermore, whatever you decide is a "common bullshit reason", can be used against you and others down the road.

Anyway, I feel like I'm spinning my tires here. Vote on these things however you like, but if you or someone you love ever needs some sort of procedure that has been banned for a "common bullshit reason" in the eyes of whoever is deciding the policy, you will reap what you sow.

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[–] Roflmasterbigpimp -1 points 10 months ago (8 children)

What the heck is going on here.

I've been circumcised as a child, as far as I know it was a medical necessary. I never had any Problem with my genitals. I have never even heard about people having such strong opinions about this topic.

It was just like, that some children having tympanostomy tube and some don't. Is this such a big topic in the USA, or just in this post?

[–] Dasus 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I have never even heard about people having such strong opinions about this topic.

You're seriously pretending that you've never heard of people having strong opinions on genital mutilation, or that you don't understanding why?

Or are you pretending that circumcision isn't genital mutilation?

Because the western medical procedure to correct phimosis is very different from having your prepuce ritually removed.

Opening up the prepuce enough for it to be able to slide over the glans and removing the whole prepuce are rather different.

But the most ridiculous thing is you pretending you're not aware of the controversy of snipping your kids genitals because of convictions/culture

[–] Roflmasterbigpimp 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Maybe because there are not many Jews (or other Religions who do this "ritualy") in Germany the only way I ever heard about this was as a medical procedure. So yes. I never even thought about this being something controversial, like I never would think that getting tympanostomy tubes are controversial. If you want to get mad at me for living in a World where this is not an issue then go on. But isn't a World where this is not issue your end goal?

[–] Dasus 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

I'm Finnish. We do less circumcisions than you guys, and our laws are arguably tighter.

I'm just amazed that someone would not be aware of the controversy. Have you never watched American TV? Just... how is someone unaware of this?

I'm not mad, I'm astonished.

It's like pretending that you're not aware of how big of s thing racism is in the US, that you're unaware that there's controversy about white cops shooting black people with poor excuses. Like "I've never heard of this 'black lives matter', thing, surely 'all lives matter', eh?"

I get that some people won't be exposed to everything, yeah, but we're on Lemmy, not the opening page of Microsoft Edge, so one assumes a little bit of knowledge of the world.

My bad.

Won't happen again.

[–] Roflmasterbigpimp 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Actually, I don't watch American TV. If you could show me the "no circumcision" Riots or the big civil rights court case about the Cop who circumcised this Guy he should, and I would never forget again :D Damn now I want a large Demo where People hold up dicks with foreskin and yell stuff like, "Circumcision, what a snip! Let's keep our foreskin, let it rip!"

EDIT: The "let it rip"-Part sound terrible painful maybe I need to change that

[–] Dasus 1 points 10 months ago

"I don't watch American TV"

Neither do I.

I also don't live in a cellar without the internet. I thought you didn't either, since you're on Lemmy.

My mistake.

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