submitted 3 months ago by return2ozma to c/politics

Biden is barely beating Trump among young voters

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[-] carl_dungeon 20 points 3 months ago

As a young voter, the muscular, alpha, nubile trump is a very attractive choice. His tight abs, trendy taste in music, and progressive sensitivities really resonate with me. Biden one the other hand, at 3.5 years older than trump might as well dig a fucking hole a climb in. 3 years is an eternity to young voters like me.

[-] aelwero 7 points 3 months ago

Attachment to either party is waning among younger voters. A plurality (41%) of them call themselves independents.

I swear this is a generational thing. Silent Gen were rebellious bastards, boomers were not, gen x are rebellious bastards, millennials are not, gen z going with being rebellious bastards totally checks out .

My old gen x ass is 100% with you my little dudes/dudettes... Gotta fight for your right to party ;)

[-] [email protected] 18 points 3 months ago

Millennials are actually rebellious, too. Remaining liberal or further left as they age, rather than growing more conservative. Switching from their raised-in religion to "None." The rates are less sharp than Gen Z, but they are still significant.

The old tick-tock analogy is changing, especially as an alarming number of people are trying to thumb the scales hard to the right.

[-] 7u5k3n 9 points 3 months ago

An I'm a 1980 kid... So gen x or millennial or Oregon trail gen or what ever you want to call it..

I'm in the south.. so red a Democrat doesn't even run majority of the time..

I have done nothing but move further left as I've gotten older.

Started out paying attention to politics when I was 16 and those "demoncrats" were going to ruin the nation... Then I realized all they really wanted to do was enable anyone to get married, have legal weed, make sure my retired parents have health care and not to mention make sure kids don't go into debt for school lunches..

One side wants to hate drag queens / kill gay or transgender folks/ force women to bear any dependant they are inflicted with

And the other wants gram gram to get her insulin for $35 / let folks be free to choose

Like... What?

[-] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Ironically, the current trend is Gen Z cis men are becoming more conservative, Gen Z women are fairly liberal, and Millenials across the board are generally becoming more liberal as they age.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

Can you find that study? Because I remember a headline claiming that a while ago, but was an editor misrepresenting the data to make clickbait. In that case, men of Gen Z overall were still more liberal even than Millennials.

Here's an article covering such a topic. There's a plot of Partisan Identity further down, and the only data point that supports the conclusion that they're "getting conservative" is white Gen Z teens. Every other group is decidedly Democrat or Independent.

The next one shows political ideology, and even in that breakdown, while conservative beats liberal overall, both are significantly behind moderate (and depending on how the question was framed, you can be a social conservative and still a liberal voter).

Basically, Gen Z teens (13-17yos) are becoming more conservative, but that's making them moderates, not conservatives. Additionally, I don't put much stock in teenage paradigms; they don't have a lot of life experience, and facing unrelenting reality has a way of putting people's sheltered upbringings in check.

Ultimately, I agree with the author's final sentiment: only time will tell if these particular trends mean anything.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

It's about a global trend, not just the US. This Buzzfeed piece has a decent breakdown of it, since the originals are largely paywalled. I agree as well, it's way too early to tell what the generation will be like.


[-] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago

I'm a millennial and I'd identify as an independent because I fucking hate the DNC... but there's no fucking chance Trump will get my vote and a 100% chance whoever has the D (probably Biden, let's be real) will get my vote. In my mayoral election I'm carefully researching both the dem and progressive candidates though.

[-] thisorthatorwhatever 4 points 3 months ago

It's going to be interesting to see how the young rural population revolts. I think we'll see the greatest amount of change coming from small rural areas. They'll have to create their own agenda, nobody has any answers for them.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago

Generally speaking, they answered by moving to urban areas.

[-] thisorthatorwhatever 3 points 3 months ago

This is also the first generation with smartphones, and high-speed internet connections. They are getting connected.

Also, how much can rural areas be depopulated before something snaps?

[-] ThisOne 6 points 3 months ago

1000 people surveyed.

This a meaningless number of both gen z and zoomers?

[-] cyd 19 points 3 months ago

Statistically, you can get to a margin of error of a couple of percent with that sample size. That's good enough for political surveys, and that kind of sample size is a common one for polls of this sort.

[-] macattack 14 points 3 months ago

No offense but I don't think you know more than Pew research when it comes to polling sample sizes and whether or not they are representative of the larger demographic.

I would focus more on what we can do about it and less on burying our heads in the sand

[-] Ensign_Crab 4 points 3 months ago

It's a poll, not a census.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago

God fucking damnit young voters - you're supposed to be smarter than us.

[-] return2ozma 4 points 3 months ago

I mean a lot of young voters just do what their parents say.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

I logged back in to my old Facebook about three years ago for the first time since my freshman year of college. My stated political identity was libertarian and I had a quote defending George W. Bush (relevant for the time period).

I didn’t remember how much I was just regurgitating what my dad said, but it was astounding. For context, I’ve been a leftist for at least the last decade and have very few positive things to say about W (at least he’s quiet now).

[-] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

Yea, don't - learning from previous generations is important but in an ideal world each generation is greater than the last... they learn the important shit and add their own knowledge.

Astoundingly, it seems like Boomers have unlearned nazi=bad - we need to do better humanity - we need to do better.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

Not to mention learning about reality is banned in schools now.

[-] [email protected] -3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I think a big factor (maybe even the biggest one) here is that people seem to overwhelmingly be voting AGAINST something/someone instead of FOR something/someone. In the US it's made even worse, because people were brainwashed into believing they only have two choices, so if they're against choice A it automatically means they must vote for choice B, warts and all, because otherwise their vote us "wasted" (which is not even remotely true or accurate, but that's another story).

I don't know if there's a way to even fix it anymore, because the polarization and tribalization of societies went so far it is scary. But hey, Biden supports Israel, so let's vote for Trump instead. Because he will clearly not support Israel, he will immediately stop selling bombs to them and he'll bring peace to the region, right? Sigh...

[-] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

which is not even remotely true or accurate, but that's another story

Why do you say that? My understanding is that "only two choices" is true and accurate because of how the electoral college works.

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