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[–] WaxedWookie 153 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I'm impressed by pretty much everything I see from Offerman, and his role in TLOU was fantastic. It had real impact, and didn't feel at all like the lazy tokenistic drivel that's become Disney's standard fare.

[–] deweydecibel 121 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (6 children)

I'll tell you why:

Because it, kind of like Brokeback Mountain all those years earlier, appreciates that homosexuality and the gay community are not one in the same. While the gay community is extremely important and should never be downplayed, media always tends depict gay people as connected to it or at the very least evoking many of the same aspects and tropes.

This isn't an unfair thing to depict, far from it, but it has the unfortunate result of making many gay characters feels rather same-y, occasionally even one note.

Offerman's character depicts a very accurate thing that doesn't get as much attention in media: the straight acting man discovering his sexuality late in life. With the exception of his piano playing and his penchant for wine and setting the table for elaborate dinners, his character has none of the telltale "gay" aspects you typically find in media, nor does he develop them. In fact his character aspects (survivalist, paranoid, shut in, loner, even a hint conservative) are generally not associated with gay characters, out of fear of depicting them in a poor light.

That's not at all to suggest other depictions of gay men are wrong or bad, Bartlett's character is very well done too. The characters of Bill just feels more notable and fresher in our current media landscape because we see it far less often.

[–] [email protected] 86 points 9 months ago (7 children)

piano playing

Fellas, is it gay to play an instrument?

I know that's not what you're saying I just thought it was a funny way to phrase it

[–] [email protected] 22 points 9 months ago (1 children)

If you're playing the skin flute, it might be gay... hahaha

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[–] jaybone 17 points 9 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 19 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Men can only drink beer and whiskey. Everything else is gay.

/S

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Look, not all pianists are gay, but all gay people play the piano.

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[–] SuperSynthia 14 points 9 months ago

I really appreciate this take. A lot of us are trapped in the closet for a variety of reasons and it takes years to finally be yourself comfortably. Once we are out, we can exist as just people…if our community lets us that is.

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[–] [email protected] 112 points 9 months ago (9 children)

Offerman is becoming more and more a chad in my eyes and that love story was really really good and its coming from someone who really hates comedy and romance genre but gotta say it was really good.

[–] FenrirIII 22 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Read his books, but only if you're a lefty. I showed my boomer parents and they hated it.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 33 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I've listened to Paddle Your Own Canoe on audiobook (he narrates). Dunno about the rest, but I'd agree based on that one. He makes it clear pretty quickly that Ron Swanson was just a character and his views are different and more nuanced.

[–] CosmicTurtle 32 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The only similarities between Nick Offerman and Ron Swanson are his giggle and his faithfulness to his friends.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Wood working and a very erotically charged relationship with Megan Mulally too

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[–] fidodo 15 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I know he's liberal in real life, but the way he plays Ron in parks and rec is how I wish conservatives actually were in real life.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

He's not a "conservative" in Parks and Rec, he's an actual libertarian.

The greatest trick neocons ever pulled was tricking right libertarians into thinking they were small government.

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[–] Leviathan 68 points 9 months ago (4 children)

I don't know how anyone could watch that episode and see anything other than an absolutely heart wrenching tale of love and how beautiful and sad and even stupid it can be. You don't even have to be gay to identify with it, you just have to be human.

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[–] Rackarunge 46 points 9 months ago (1 children)

And the best single episode love story ever.

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[–] aeronmelon 43 points 9 months ago

The most Offerman thing to say. 👍

[–] [email protected] 33 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I want Nick Offerman to be my dad. And I even love my real dad. (sorry dad)

[–] BleatingZombie 15 points 9 months ago

My dad's pretty awful. Can I have your dad so you can have Nick Offerman?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 months ago

So you're saying you want two dads? The gay agenda is confirmed, folks!

/s (if it wasn't obvious enough)

[–] [email protected] 20 points 9 months ago (5 children)

I agree with the sentiment of the article, but the author can jump off a bridge for perpetuating the "SLAMS" bullshit.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 9 months ago

The episode was directed by the same guy who directed all of "It's a Sin", another incredible bit of telly.

[–] psycho_driver 15 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (11 children)

It was a love story and it was touching. I had to look away during the intimate scenes as watching two guys making out gives me the heebie jeebies.

[–] teejay 58 points 9 months ago (6 children)

I'm sorry you're getting downvoted. You're allowed to like things and dislike things, as long as tolerance and respect are given for others' choices. It seems like you're doing that here.

Acceptance for something you like and enjoy is pretty easy and natural. It's a bit harder, and takes more thought and courage, to show respect and tolerance for things you don't like and don't enjoy, but you accept them anyway because it's the right thing to do and it's a part of being a human on this planet with billions of other humans. Grow up, lemmy.

[–] z00s 27 points 9 months ago

Very well said, I agree.

OP was being honest without being derogatory. It sounds like perhaps they may have experienced some personal growth from watching the episode.

If OP hasn't been around gay people who openly express physical affection, they may have felt initially uncomfortable. But that's why representation is important.

That's why movies, TV, books, and visual arts are so important to us as a culture and as individuals; exposure to new ideas helps us grow and become better people.

[–] JustUseMint 12 points 9 months ago

Agreed. Well said.

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[–] FrostyTheDoo 19 points 9 months ago (1 children)

As a good exercise for personal growth, you should ask yourself why seeing that gives you the heebie-jeebies.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Eh, I think it's pretty clear that some amount of homophobia is innate as much as homosexuality is. Some people just plain find it gross. As long as they respect everyone's right to have their own lifestyle, that's really what tolerance and getting along is all about. We can't except everyone to like everything, so we should be proud when they put up with harmless things they don't like.

[–] Zehzin 18 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

I wouldn't say innate, that makes it sound like humans are born homophobes.

Unavoidable when you're raised in a homophobic society and something to improve.

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[–] FrostyTheDoo 10 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I don't disagree and I'm not trying to shame or put anyone down, my point is just that it's productive and enlightening to learn these things about ourselves when we can. For me at least, it helps me improve in areas I find myself lacking, and meet other people where they are when they see things differently than I do.

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[–] Ifera 14 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Honestly, thanks for still watching it anyway. Don't know why you are getting downvoted. If it was a touching love story about morbidly obese people, I would get the same heebie jeebies.

You are part of the change that needs to happen in the world, we can't help what makes us feel queasy, but you both respecting their performance, the story AND your own sensibilities IS how we achieve progress.

Proud of you, no sarcasm.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I think the Last of Us demonstrates the difference between writing a story around the character vs the sort of crap in other shows where inclusivity is more like a box ticking exercise and a casting quota.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago

It was my favorite episode. It was a beautiful story.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago

God I love that man

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