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Around 80% of Americans have been exposed to the plant pesticide chlormequat, which causes fertility and growth issues in animals, according to a new study published Thursday...

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[–] RainfallSonata 59 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Fantastic. I ate that almost exclusively for years because I thought it was the healthier option.

[–] FlyingSquid 28 points 9 months ago (1 children)

You'll be fine. This is one of the regular studies that doesn't use humans, but rather creatures that evolved similar (but not the same) systems as humans, that the media picks up to regularly scare people.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Cheerios are turning the frogs gay though.

[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart 8 points 9 months ago

That’s why they all look so fabulous.

[–] Ghostalmedia 58 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

“Don’t worry baby, I brought protection”

(Opens a ziplock bag of Cheerios)

[–] billiam0202 9 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Getting crumbs in my bed is a surefire way of ending any coital activities, so... Mission achomlished?

[–] Ghostalmedia 30 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Referring to it as “coital activities” is also a good way to shut things down.

[–] homesweethomeMrL 10 points 9 months ago

Don’t be fatuous, Jeffrey.

[–] Passerby6497 4 points 9 months ago

Ladies love a cunning linguist with a massive.... vocabulary.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 months ago

Honey, if crumbs are your hard limit, referring to it as “coital activities” is entirely appropriate and I hope you meet the Mormon of your dreams.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 9 months ago (1 children)

This is the second time I've seen someone incorrectly refer to chlormequat as a pesticide. It's not a pesticide, it's a chemical that encourages plants to grow thicker stems, which in turn makes harvesting easier.

I don't say this to defend its use. I just feel that it's important to call it what it is.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Would that qualify as a fertilizer, providing something the plant needs for its stems, or some sort of hormone that encourages plant stem growth, or something else?

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 9 months ago (10 children)

I can’t stand living in this country sometimes.

How does this shit continue to fucking happen year after year decade after decade.

[–] reddig33 28 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Greed. It happens because of selfish greedy people who care about nothing but making themselves richer.

[–] Ghostalmedia 14 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Interestingly enough, the US does not allow American farmers to use chlormequat on domestic food. That said, the loophole is that US food producers are allowed to import crops grown with it.

And although most US grain is grown domestically, the US gets a shitload of oats from Canada, and Canada still sprays this crap on crops. The UK is also shady with this stuff.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I wouldn't expect this from Quaker.

Kellogg's seems more like the one who would put infertility inducing chemicals in their food.

[–] Ghostalmedia 19 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

It’s probably most oat products in North America. The US banned this substance on domestic crops, but Canada still allows it, and Canada is the oat capital of North America.

Moreover, US residents get exposed because importing oats grown this way is still okay. It’s only banned domestically.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

The Quakers nearly died out because they disapproved of even sex for procreation.

Tbh it's a real shame they have this weird hang up about the idea because they're otherwise the best kind of Christians.

Takes they've been historically based af about:

Anti-monarchists Abolitionists Public education Prison Reform Pacifism (personally don't agree but we'd certainly be in a better place if more people did)

Etc etc etc, literally, find an issue about something and they're probably on the right side of it.

(Unless their names are Hoover and Nixon)

[–] AutistoMephisto 4 points 9 months ago

I wish violence didn't solve everything, the world would be a much easier place to live in. But brutes only speak the language of violence.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I thought it was the Shakers who were fully celibate, not the Quakers. I’m reading through the Quakers’ wiki page now and not seeing anything about views on sex/procreation. Any suggestions where to find more about that?

I’m not trying to challenge you, I’d just like to learn more if I’ve missed something here.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

Shakers went full celibacy, Quakers have loosened views over time, but traditional marriages were noted to often include long periods of abstinence, and marriages were (supposed) to be more about companionship and friendship than romance and sexuality.

A professor of mine once noted the long periods of abstinence might simply have been a result of women with their notably greater autonomy having more choice in the matter compared to the standards of their times than any particularly repressive view on sexuality (within the bounds of marriage) but whatever the case, Quakers just didn't have as many kids as other sects.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It's weird since the Bible straight up tells you to fuck to make babies.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

Maybe less weird once you remember it also talks up everything else they were against, like slavery and heirarchies. They seem, on the whole, to value the words of Christ as depicted by the Bible much more than the ramblings of people claiming to be Peter or the random rules of desert tribesmen.

[–] Ghostalmedia 31 points 9 months ago (1 children)

From this day forward, using Cheerios as birth control will be called “busting a honey nut.”

[–] ComradePorkRoll 29 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Heart healthy and a birth control? Harvey Kellogg eat your heart out.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

I wonder if it stops kids masturbating too.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Confused. Is it unhealthy to continue using the cheerios as a cock ring or not?

[–] meco03211 18 points 9 months ago

Get outta here with your big dick humble bragging.

[–] oktux 9 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

It looks like organic products mostly avoid this.

  • 11/12 (92%) of conventional oat-based products had it
  • 1/8 (12.5%) of organic oat-based products had it

(from https://www.nature.com/articles/s41370-024-00643-4/tables/2 )

[–] SpaceNoodle 14 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Of course, they just use more of different pesticides.

[–] oktux 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Are you saying that organic oat-based products use more pesticides than conventional oat-based products? Or are you talking about organic products in general? In either case, I'd be interested in learning more if you have any good sources.

[–] SpaceNoodle 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] oktux 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I upvoted. Thanks for providing sources. I read both. My takeaway is that the amount of pesticide residue on conventional products is considered safe, but organic products contain less pesticide residue.

I think that Scientific American article is low quality in general (which is a shame--I used to subscribe to them). I think the relevant part is this quote:

According to the National Center for Food and Agricultural Policy, the top two organic fungicides, copper and sulfur, were used at a rate of 4 and 34 pounds per acre in 1971 [1]. In contrast, the synthetic fungicides only required a rate of 1.6 lbs per acre, less than half the amount of the organic alternatives.

  • Their reference is https://ncfap.org/, which leads to a broken website for me.
  • It's talking about usage of two specific fungicides from over 50 years ago.

(The article has other red flags as well that suggest lack of rigor.)

The paper seems more rigorous to me, but it actually refutes your point:

While conventional produce was between 2.9 and 4.8 times more likely to contain detectable pesticide residues than organic produce, samples of organic produce frequently contained residues.

That said, I think the important point is that both organic and conventional food are considered safe. Both papers agree with that, as does Harvard Health, which I consider reputable, although it also says that organic produce has less pesticide residue:

According to USDA data, organic foods have fewer pesticide residues than conventionally grown produce. But the amounts for both types of produce are within the level for safe consumption. And it's unclear if the pesticides used in organic farming are safer than nonsynthetic pesticides used in conventional farming.

(from https://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/should-you-go-organic )

Perhaps you would consider editing your original post to get rid of the "more of"?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago

They do because the organic approved pesticides are less effective. They tend to use more of them and the crop yields are still lower. Although I have not heard of them causing major fertility issues or colony collapse so it's give and take.

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[–] Pacmanlives 4 points 9 months ago

Looks like Quaker Oats farmers were following the law so I really can’t blame them. Just need to get the law changed again

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