Yall just can't be honest about what others are saying.
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Woah wait a minute, I didn't see this. It doesn't say that reading and writing is white supremacy. It doesn't say that at all.
Exactly. But the right still a needs a boogeyman, which is why the above post exists.
Anybody with any sense can easily see the article is sensationalist at best, and outright misleading at worst.
It conflats that its a characteristic of white supremacy.
No it does not. It does not say that reading and writing is a characteristic of white supremacy.
Yes, it conflats it.
It doesn't even conflate it either.
Try becoming literate before talking out your ass
You don't have an argument so you're just resorting to insults. Get better.
Look momo, I know it's frustrating. I suggest blocking him, instead of breaking rule 1.
Consider this a final warning before I start banning, alright?
Funny how I'm nearly at a ban just because I dare to call him out for posting disinformation and trolling
That worksheet looks like it backs up the article. What do you mean, "cant be honest"?
The actually way its worded:
Worship of the written word (one of nine core traits of white supremacy) = honoring only what is written and even then only what is written to a narrow standard, full of misinformation and lies. An erasure of the wide range of ways we communicate with each other.
The way the article frames it:
white supremacy = love of reading and writing
What’s funny is with the full context of the statement, you can see that’s exactly what’s happening in this thread
It's obviously trying to conflate the two. Honoring written contracts is not the same as worshiping the written word. If you asked any random person what worshiping the written word was, they'd probably say "loving reading" or "loving writing" or something to that effect. It's super obvious propaganda.
It’s obviously trying to conflate the two.
No, it's not. It's defining the phrase.
It is saying:
- Worship of the written word
Is defined by:
- honoring only what is written and even then only what is written to a narrow standard, full of misinformation and lies. An erasure of the wide range of ways we communicate with each other.
It say nothing about the love of reading or writing, or contracts. And what's worse is that they are very clearly saying that "worship of the written word" is a characteristic/trait of white supremacy, not white supremacy. So you're missing (it seems willfully at this point) the meaning of what they are saying.
If you asked any random person what worshiping the written word was
If you did that, you'd get a million different answers. And that's why they defined it:
- honoring only what is written and even then only what is written to a narrow standard, full of misinformation and lies. An erasure of the wide range of ways we communicate with each other.
they’d probably say “loving reading” or “loving writing” or something to that effect.
You're just pulling this out of you ass.
It’s super obvious propaganda.
All you're doing is making up a meaning that very clearly isn't there, and then getting upset over your own made up meaning.
What do yall call it? Dogwhistling?
Worship of the written word sounds like you love reading and writing. Lefties have a consistent problem with calling shit one thing, and trying to define it another. Everyone understands worship to mean 'love'. Like honestly, do yall really expect us to believe your nonsense? That you guys fucked up the messaging again?
And even if youre right, honoring contracts and nothing else is a trope of the devil. Trying to make that connection in kids brains is racist as hell.
Worship of the written word sounds like you love reading and writing.
To YOU. But not to everyone, which is why they defined the term they are using.
Everyone understands worship to mean ‘love’.
Get out of here with that bullshit.
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/worship
This dictionary only includes love as 3 of 8 definitions.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/worship
This one doesn't include the word love at all.
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/worship
This one only includes it in 1 of 4 definitions.
So get out of here with this definition absolutism bullshit. Words can mean a million different things. And they explicitly explained what they are talking about, and you're the one fucking up the messaging.
And even if youre right, honoring contracts and nothing else is a trope of the devil.
The word contract isn't even in there.
Came to say I highly doubt it. @PizzaMan obviated the need, but I'm still saying something.
@Pizzaman didnt do jack shit. All he did was post the worksheet and claimed he won.
All he did was post the worksheet and claimed he won.
A quick reading of the actual material is all it takes to show this article to be full of shit.
A quick reading of the actual material is all it takes to show you're full of shit.
Tell me honestly, what grade school level are you in?
I'm a college graduate. What grade are you? 3rd?
I’m a college graduate.
Could have fooled me.
What grade are you? 3rd?
You might need a new set of CTRL + C + V keys at this rate.
Crazy stuff.
Meanwhile in America, police kill black people on a regular basis. While the black population of America is about 13%, in the prison system black people make roughly 37% of the population (prison policy.org) and the average Black and Latino households earn about half as much as the average White household and own only about 15 to 20 percent as much net wealth (federalreserve.gov). So it seems equally ridiculous to me to insist (and I have heard ppl say this) there's no more racism in America, that everyone has equal opportunity and everyone can prosper if they blah blah bootstraps and freedom and liberty. What's funny is that it's purveyors of bullshit pointing out someone else's bullshit in such a bullshitty way.
It doesn't help when you tell black kids that reading and writing is white people stuff.
Except that no one is saying that.
Even so, if you are suggesting that black people would be murdered less by police, incarcerated less by the corrupt criminal justice system and have higher incomes if they would simply read and write more is still wrong: Breonna Taylor was a honor roll student in highschool and a graduate of the University of Kentucky. She was gainfully employed as a emergency room tech when she was murdered in her own home by police. So presumably she could read and write and show up for work on time but that didn't help her did it?
So in this thread I see: 1. deliberate misrepresentation of info about white supremacy and 2. blaming nonwhite people for the effects of white supremacy.
Or hard work, being on time, etc.
Yes, hard work. People in positions of privilege and power often talk about the importance of hard work. It is a virtue according to those who rest from their labor on the comfortable cushion of capital gains and investment income. Those who prosper from the exploitation of working class people often extoll the merits of dilligence and punctuality.
Winter said at one point that they own 3 houses. So yeah, you hit the nail on the head.
Nowhere in the document does it even come close to suggesting that hard work and being on time is a white people thing. You're just being racist.
No, it appears you are the racist.
Just like OP's article, this one is again missing the point trying to be made. I can see how the Smithsonian updated their page to try and clarify things.
The graphic is saying the values of white anglo-saxon protestants have become the expected values everyone in the US should have.
Valuing rational thought doesn't mean white people are rational and black people aren't. It means, in the US, an artistic person isn't valued as much as an engineer. "Hard work is the key to success" doesn't mean white people work hard and black people are lazy. It means, in the US, it's thought that poor people are only poor because they didn't work hard enough.
The Smithsonian wasn't saying these values are good or bad. It was saying these values dominate US culture and they come from the values of white anglo-saxon protestants.
There's nothing wrong with valuing art and work-life balance. In a place like France, that would be the norm. Again, history can be used to explain some of that. Around 1685, huge numbers of French protestants left the country, and took their values of "everyone should work hard all the time" with them.