I’m not from the UK so my point of view means nothing, but I hope a Labour government will still support Ukraine. From my limited understanding it seems the Tories have been a domestic nightmare, but opposing Russian aggression is a policy I support.
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I don't see that changing.
I hope you’re right. Republicans in Congress have already fucked up America’s support. I don’t want Ukraine to lose any more support.
Luckily they are the equivalent of the Tories, who have supported Ukraine pretty well; Labour should at least be maintaining that if not improving upon it.
Thankfully Ukraine is something pretty much everyone in parliament is unanimous on, there are very few exceptions.
If the Republicans get their way Ukraine can say goodbye to US support. Europe, including the UK, should step up to the plate and triple down in its support for Ukraine in funding and supplies and be prepared for military action with or without the US.
Let's hope so. I look forward to a few Portillo moments. The Tories have caused so much damage to the UK in two words Brexit and Corruption.
Don't forget austerity. It's been a significantly larger impact to the UK than even Brexit has. Shit, if they didn't do austerity then Brexit would almost certainly never have happened.
"Austerity" is such a bloodless word for class warfare.
Just in time for the next people to get all the blame with the wars happen
Labour?
Still too many Tory seats in Wales.
Could've ended that sentence two words earlier.
They deserve it
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Yes, I was quite surprised they didn't get the boot last election.
You mean when we nixed Boris? That wasn't a "general election" as such.
No, I meant in 2019. Brexit was already a mess. Instead they gained.
Saying that, I didn't think brexit would get up either.
All it took was driving the country off a cliff with Brexit. UK has the same problem with Tories that the US has with Republicans and a population of total morons lining up to vote for them.
Good
Anyone else think Biden and Sunak are incentivised to take US and UK put boots on the ground over Israel-Hamas-Houthi conflicts? Tories face wipe-out, and Biden faces a close call with Trump, and nothing helps guarantee re-election like being at war.
You mean it's all political and that Houthi missle that just hit a container ship means nothing?
But it is all political. Houthis are funded by SA and Iran. They are attacking because of Israel's genocidal treatment of 2 million people in Gaza. I mean the Houthis are awful, as are Hamas, but there are lots of other awful groups doing awful stuff around the globe 24/7 that impact UK and US interests but don't prompt severe military retaliation. Russia tried to shoot down a RAF jet last year - nothing happened, diplomacy won out. So why the sudden need to approve these strikes on a weekend? Attacks have been happening for months. Why didn't they do an emergency recall to put the decision before Congress and HoC? They are playing with fire and they know it.
I'm just saying that a war declaration against a much less well-armed militia in Yemen for a prolonged military campaign and something they can claim to be in aid of a 'good' cause could be convenient to both Biden and Sunak for a boost in the polls. It also comes with fewer risks as they arent a nuclear power like Russia, Iran, SA, or Israel (yay proxy war). Sadly, I wouldn't put it past either leader to have considered this.
but there are lots of other awful groups doing awful stuff around the globe 24/7 that impact UK and US interests but don't prompt severe military retaliation
Name one that is blocking a major transport lane by firing missles at ships. We took action when a US Navy ship was attacked by 24 Houthi drones. You don't attack US ships in international waters and not expect blowback. To parapharse Godfather, it's not political, it's business.
Houthis are funded by SA and Iran.
houthis are at war with saudi arabia for better part of last decade, and more broadly for almost three decades. it's a part of proxy iran-saudi conflict
They are attacking because of Israel’s genocidal treatment of 2 million people in Gaza
they are attacking because iran told them so. houthis, like hezbollah, are iranian proxies
Russia tried to shoot down a RAF jet last year
and turks shot down a russian jet couple of years ago, and ultimately also nothing happened
Why didn’t they do an emergency recall to put the decision before Congress and HoC? They are playing with fire and they know it.
bs. airstrikes are easy and low-risk, the real, permanent solution to this problem would be boots on the ground and/or high intensity airstrikes on iranian weapons manufacturers. neither are gonna happen, but airstrikes provide that "something is being done" vibe
since when saudis or iranians have nukes?
Based on what I've read today, it seems as though the Biden administration is running out of patience with Netanyahu. I'd be surprised if anything real came of that, but at the very least, I highly doubt he has any interest whatsoever putting US troops in Gaza.
I really hope so. I doubt troops would be deployed to Gaza too, but would not put it past them to consider deploying to Yemen to take out the Houthis.
That theory doesn’t make much sense to me. The military conflicts have been political losers for Biden. Polling consistently shows that Americans believe (for some insane reason) that the Ukraine and Gaza conflicts wouldn’t have happened under Trump. Gaza in particular has split Biden’s base. The best thing that could happen for Biden is if all the conflicts end before the election.
It seems there are some in the UK Government willing to game the Israel Gaza conflict to their electoral advantage. Not boots on ground, and thankfully its being called out by the opposition as wrong, but shows they are at least considering this in their deliberations for calling for a ceasefire. https://feddit.uk/post/9265224