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They didn't have neighbors! They weren't a fucking country they were an ethnic minority taking offensive action against Palestine to force the mandate to make a country for them. Sure the UN condemns it in the same way they condemn illegal settlements and settler's killing of Palestinians, ie. In word only
You can avoid conflict to some extent but when they're striking food gatherings, refugees and a statistically unlikely amount of "accidental" deaths of journalists and often their entire families the whole turn the other cheek thing just leaves you with two black eyes and an entitled abuser.
They did have neighbors after they won the war in '48, that's what I was referencing, iirc there wasn't very much international support for either side pre-Israeli statehood, most of the weapons the Zionists used in '48 were smuggled from Czechoslovakia or stolen from the British for example.
That's really all the UN can do when Israel's powerful international sponsors will veto anything more than that. My point is that a majority of nations on earth have condemned Israel, and that doesn't feel like widespread international support to me.
I'm not suggesting Palestinians should "turn the other cheek" I'm saying that killing civilians does nothing for their cause except give Zionists something to point to and say "See we were totally right, we have to keep displacing them because they're violent and can't be trusted with statehood".
If Hamas only targeted the Israeli military and state, then there would be no massacres for the Zionists to point to.
Yes yes, history benefits you of you don't look too deeply, gotcha. Germany had never had any racial issues.... Just ignore ≈1850-1945.
Not stopping it at some point becomes support, it's an invasion and occupation of a non peer nation.
Oh I'm sure there was never any religious zealotry in the middle east before 1948.... Not one.
Non-sequitur?
Yes which is why Hamas is perfectly justified in targeting Israeli military personnel under international law. Shooting up random gated neighborhoods full of civilians and random music festivals, however, is completely and unequivocally unjustifiable and needs to stop if they ever want to succeed in their goal of an independent Palestine.
Non-sequitur?
Nope, direct comparison. Don't draw random lines in the sand, history is history we don't get to cut out the inconvenient parts.
No one is supporting that what people are saying is that a military that is essentially an insurgency manages to kill fewer civilians than Israel even when they go after civilians. You point fingers at Hamas killing civilians yet again but make no mention of the fact that Israel by their own Numbers have killed like twenty times as many civilians and that's ignoring settler's murdering Palestinians in a whole other country that they aren't at war with.
Again no. You say everything stops if Palestine does, historically that isn't the case and that history spans like 2000 years.