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[–] pennomi 3 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Well, in the US trains probably aren’t an option. But you’re exactly right. The reason corporations pollute is because we buy their stuff.

[–] Num10ck 11 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

corporation pollute because the governments let them, and its cheapest. governments let them because they are corrupted by the corporations.

if/when executives can get the death penalty for crimes against earth, they will still find a way to supply stuff to market.

[–] pennomi 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

For sure, they optimize for profits, and that means being irresponsible with the world.

Let’s take meat for example. It’s not like a ranch is going to raise and slaughter millions of cattle just for the lulz. If nobody is buying it, there’s no economic incentive and the problem goes away.

Consumers are unwilling to change to more expensive, ethical products. It follows that corporations are unwilling to produce them. Until something like lab meat becomes cheaper and easier than natural meat, this will persist. This could be done through taxes on natural meat, (maybe a methane emissions tax).

But consumers fundamentally hold all the power here. They could simply switch to eating less meat and the producers would automatically correct themselves. You just can’t convince people to do it.

[–] Num10ck 1 points 7 months ago

i agree with you, except scale. individual consumers have no power. if consumers/citizens were collectively organized at a substantial percentage, they could change everything. thats why the corporatioms and rich and govt will do anything to not let the people be united like this. and even if they could organize on that scale, it could just be corrupted or turn authoritarian/fascist itself.

1 person trying to change the world by eating less meat doesn't even blip the radar.

[–] AlternatePersonMan 2 points 7 months ago

The argument is that corporations do what they want, often not because we want to buy their stuff, but because:

we don't have a choice
they hide what they're doing through propaganda, lies, obfuscation, etc. so we don't know about it
powerful lobbying

Here's some examples:

Cigarette companies spent decades convincing people their product was harmless and Even good for you. The oil industry has been covering up climate change the same way.
Trains are rarely an option in the US, because of subsidies to planes, roads, etc. Car companies pushed hard to actually remove public transportation.
Don't like your ISP? Too bad, you probably don't have another choice
Look at the PG&E story and how they contaminated drinking water, then just lied about it while people died. You don't really have a choice about who supplies electricity to your city.

Yes, you could choose to live off of the grid and walk everywhere and grow your own crops, but that's hardly a choice. And it doesn't have to be that way. Shitty people at the top of these companies make ungodly money by screwing everyone else over anyway they can, regardless of the cost to humanity. That is the point.