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Setting aside the usual arguments on the anti- and pro-AI art debate and the nature of creativity itself, perhaps the negative reaction that the Redditor encountered is part of a sea change in opinion among many people that think corporate AI platforms are exploitive and extractive in nature because their datasets rely on copyrighted material without the original artists' permission. And that's without getting into AI's negative drag on the environment.

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[–] BreadstickNinja 24 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (11 children)

Depends on the workflow, in my opinion. There are people who just type "1girl lol" into a text box and there are some people who set up workflows with hundreds of steps including significant manual work done in Photoshop or GIMP.

Similarly nearly all music these days is made with a DAW, which enables you to selectively edit and combine performances that otherwise you wouldn't be able to achieve. Drummer off beat? Quantize it. Want a string section but don't know how to play violin? Use a synth. And certainly there are people who are overly reliant on those tools because their core music abilities aren't very strong.

If you think any amount of computer assistance means that something isn't art, then basically all music made since the 90s would also not be art. It's not a binary. Any tool can be used tastefully or be used to mask an underlying lack of talent.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago (9 children)

Computer assisted ≠ computer generated. This is a fundamentally understood distinction.

[–] BreadstickNinja 5 points 8 months ago (8 children)

I'd welcome you to offer a rigorous definition of this supposedly well-known distinction. Computers don't generate anything spontaneously. They always require some level of direction.

Are the outputs of VSTs not "computer generated"? You can fumble around on a keyboard just moving up and down until you find the pitch you want, and the software will output an orchestral swell of dozens of instruments that take years and years to master, with none of that effort expended by the one mashing the keyboard.

Is that sound computer-assisted or computer-generated in your estimation? Much the same with AI images. It's not fundamentally different from any other computerized tool.

[–] NoMoreCocaine 6 points 8 months ago

That's pretty reductive and bad comparison. Your example boils down to saying that you could argue guitarist is a machine assisted.

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