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[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (11 children)

That feels like an extreme case. I feel like this would only happen in an upper class private school.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (10 children)

Public schools here are insane. It's like £50 for one sweater. And it's got to have the school name/ logo on it. So you can't just go and buy a generic sweater the same colour.
And you've got to have at least 2, so when one is getting washed, you'd have one good to go.
There's black shoes, not trainers, but smart shoes.
White shirts. Black pants/ skirts. Specific socks. £15 a tie, which is specifically in school colours so no going out to buy a cheap generic tie.
Then there's the PE kit that has to be bought from the school. £20 for shorts. £20 for the polo. £10 for football socks.

Altogether when you're done it's around £300. Which, if you're generally working class/ out of work, you're fucked.
My sweaters faded after half a year, so mum had to buy more. They'd of fit me the entire time, but she had to buy new ones pretty much every 6 months because they just faded in the wash. And that was in the 00s. My mum hates buying uniform for my younger sisters, apparently it's crazy priced.
Now schools here are doing blazers too, god knows how much they are.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (9 children)

@thepixelfox @Zagorath @pineapplelover @dgriffith Playing devil's advocate for a moment, the flipside to all this is that high school kids can be incredibly judgemental when it comes to fashion. Teenaged girls especially, but boys too.

Especially in mixed-income or aspirational middle class areas, you will have parents who will pay up to buy designer labels and Nike/Adidas footwear for their little precious.

Then you have the kids whose parents have more limited means, and who wear hand-me-downs or stuff they get from Kmart or Target.

Immediately, that brings class into the classroom. It says to the working class kids that you are less than.

Having a uniform — ideally one that can be purchased from a discount department store — levels that playing field.

And yes, uniforms are authoritarian. Had you asked me 20 years ago, I'd have wholeheartedly agreed they need to be banished.

What changed my mind was talking to a former neighbour, around 10 years ago, who had been a working class kid raised by a single mum.

She'd originally went to high school at a selective entry school that didn't have a uniform. And she constantly felt left out, and the better off kids whose parents could afford to buy them nicer clothes regularly picked on her.

She eventually changed schools to one that had a set uniform.

So school uniforms can be egalitarian — as long as they're affordable.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

@ajsadauskas @thepixelfox @Zagorath @pineapplelover @dgriffith TBH I think the culture and economic situation of the families plays a bigger role than whether or not uniforms are present. I also went to a school with uniforms, and the wealthier kids found plenty of other ways to mark their class status and segregate themselves from the poors.
If all the kids' families have access to the same wealth there's less opportunity for wealth segregation to occur IMO.
...Which I know sounds a bit obvious but I guess my point is leaning more towards the necessity of wealth redistribution 😅

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