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I came across a post in a Michigan community that mentioned this, and i asked if it really happened because it seems so crazy that Republican collaborators would directly mail in fake documents saying Trump won states he lost and I hadn't even really heard about it.

But this is exactly what happened, as I found out today after looking for more corroborating sources:

https://people.com/politics/forged-documents-declaring-trump-pence-winners-sent-to-national-archives/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_fake_electors_plot

Trump republicans in Pennsylvania, Georgia, Michigan, Arizona, Wisconsin, Nevada, and New Mexico forged false elector certificates and actually mailed in those forged electoral certificates to the national archives, that were examined and found to be forgeries, with trump, Rudy Giuliani and John Eastman as the ring leaders calling hundreds of Republicans to ask them to directly commit election fraud and forgery.

Some of them said yes. A bunch of them said yes, actually.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The states really are falling apart before our eyes aren't they

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I don't think I'd say that, I think the fact that all of the false certificates were immediately flagged and rejected is a good sign.

I think it's a lot more odd that the matter isn't being treated more seriously by the authorities, but I wouldn't say that some recent development indicating a collapse, the aw, shucks recognition of "oh they were just trying" seems oddly within the American tradition.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Maybe falling apart was a bit much but there's some glaring cracks that can no longer be ignored. Hopefully they can be addressed before it comes to that.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

I have a sizable faith in the human capacity to ignore, but I also hope that these issues are paid attention to and attempts are made to remedy at least some of the failures of the US political and electoral system.