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[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago (16 children)

I have a question but I want to make it clear that I am asking in good faith as I fumble my way through understanding the complexities of geopolitics, and I am not casting aspersions or pushing a conspiracy theory. I am especially not taking a position in defense of Israel, or against their accountability to the ICC.

Okay, that said: Is South Africa pushing this at the behest of Russia, like as a BRICS thing? The only other thing I can think of is that this helps improve the image of an embattled ANC at home.

I get why they have a unique perspective given their defeat of apartheid, and that's likely the steelman for why they are advancing this, but that just seems like too pat of an answer.

I would love additional perspectives on this.

[–] Mammal 19 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I suspect whats going on here is that the South Africans know what kind of people Zionists are, since the old apartheid government used to partner with them.

[–] Aceticon 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

It's probably a similar reason to why the european country that first asked for sanctions againat Israel was the Republic of Ireland, who like Palestine and until the early XX Century was occupied and oppressed by a larger neighbhour, in their case the United Kingdom: when you suffered it yourself or grew up hearing the stories from those who suffered it, it's a lot easier to understand the true depth and hurt of what's being done to a people in a similar situation as you, your paraents or even grandparents were once in.

It also explains why Germany still unwaveringly supports Israel: they naturally empathise with the strong military power that's trying to control a "lesser race" in a territory they occupy - it's painfully obvious that "never again" wasn't at all about the violent genocide of a weaker ethnic group by a stronger one driven by cold violent extreme racism (the kind who describes another etnic group as untermenschen/human animals) and greed, but was only ever about Germans vs Jews, hence Germany ending up again involved in a Holocaust on the side of the genociders.

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