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China has had EVs for awile. There are so many options that chipsets have become a customer demand. No one wants a laggy UI and they want enough power to run apps.
Similar to cell phones and laptops.
Do you really need apps to run ?
Other than Google maps or Spotify. What apps are you running?
A chip set that will be obsolete in less than a year and stop getting security updates after a few years ?
What happens when your os no longer allowed you to download apps as it's too old ?
This doesn't seem to be necessary.
A screen that I can cast to. Sure. Spotify and maps. Sure. Other than that. Seems like a bad idea.
Home Assistant
In your car. Why not use phone ? Obviously nice to have it but it's not essential. You can have home assistant integrated into android auto or whatever apple use
My heater and ac aren't necessary. I still love them.
Heater and ac are 1000%
Are you slightly mad ?
I don't know what either comment means, but okay.
Those are essential to a car. Hot and cold weather exists. We require both if those things for cars to function correctly.
Why would you think they were extras ?
They were extras for quite a long time. AC in particular.
Probably not in a hot country. You would die without ac
The 1940 Packard was the first car to offer factory-installed air-conditioning.
By 1969, more than half of all new cars sold in USA were equipped with A/C.
In a 1971 front-page story, the New York Times implicated air-conditioning in the death of the convertible, postulating that: "In the age of air-conditioning, real air has lost its value."
Fair enough. But say the Sahara. If you drive with no ac you will likely perspire. So you just can't drive in a hot metal box.
Was heat always available ?
Yes, because the engine makes a lot of heat for free. Cooling requires an additional system to be built in
I mean, for one thing it would be nice if the basic infotainment system didn't lag out and stop reacting to screen taps when I'm just trying to play audio over Bluetooth from my phone.
I'm with you on the apps bit though. Personally I try to keep my devices as sandboxed as I can so I only let my car have the audio; no contacts, no text history, and certainly not apps unless appsolutely necessary, so basically never. (bad pun intended)
Can I ask why ? Data harvesting?
Shouldn't really lag. Our ex car was 2003 golf so no android auto. Used phone and it never really lagged. Bad reception cuts in and out but that's nothing to do with app.
Don't really need my car to be overly intelligent. Of I can just cast to a screen. Phone is more than capable and always have it.
Yeah I'm a bit paranoid, especially with how often data breaches tend to happen these days. I just don't trust data collectors to be responsible with the info they grab.
My car's media player doesn't lag super often, but when it does it's pretty bad. You can also tell just by using the thing that its processing power is barely capable of running the UI and functions, so on the off chance it gets hit with some sort of load it isn't expecting, audio still plays but the screen is unresponsive. On rare occasions it also just freezes for a solid 30-40 seconds after I start my car which is pretty annoying, but it's only like a twice a year phenomenon.
I sometimes feel like I should have bought an older car but at the same time I appreciate having good gas mileage on a newer model overall. I especially like the safety features like backup camera, lane departure warning, blind spot detectors, etc so overall I think it's a net benefit and I'm happy with the vehicle.
Sounds pretty modern. Likely it's a shitly optimised os running on inferior tech. Do you also use a smartphone? As that'll be sending far more data back. Depending on os.
Yeah it's a very recent entry-level model I talked myself into buying at the time. Overall it's been a decent car but a lot of the detailing is cheap, for instance there are some design patterns in the cab which are just stamped plastic, and they scratch insanely easily because there's no protective top coat or anything. It would not surprise me one bit if they cheaped out on the chip as well.
Yes I do have a smartphone, which is definitely where the biggest data risk is. I've considered flashing a de-googled OS into it at some point but I've been busy and just never got around to it. On that front I just try to download as few apps as I possibly can; the worst holdout is Facebook Messenger because it's the only thing a couple of my family members use for some reason (which to be fair is probably about on par with SMS if not ever so slightly better because there's at least some encryption, but then Meta gets to run whatever they do in the background which isn't great)
I might get Signal back on my phone but I'm still salty about them removing SMS support. Despite how unsecure SMS is, I thought the ability to pitch an app to friends/fam as a drop-in replacement for the default text app was a great value proposition. They would get the benefit of regular texts AND be able to send secure messages to other users of the app, which was an easy sell. Now it's like a whole walled-off platform and just another app imo. A secure app, for sure, but just another one for which there are at least half a dozen decent alternatives.
Sorry for the side tangent. My data hygiene could be way better, but I try where I can!
Fair enough. All seems pretty standard to me. I'm looking at a new car as ours died last month. I don't really care about interior or really much. Would like android just so I don't get glare on my phone screen. If it gets me a to b and is cheap, I'm happy.
What would you be protecting from ? What data worries you ? That might help with the smartphone situation.
Yeah with Facebook you basically allow them. ? Whoever they are to track you. Even removing the app doesn't stop them. Recent lawsuits have shown google tracks even with tracking off. So it's kinda hard to have a smartphone and not get tracking.
You can look at matrix. Open source and similar to signal
It's necessary in China. It's a great idea in China. Why?
Me personally I just like the ability to side load apps or download from Google store.
But what apps ? What are you sideloading?