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We need to take a whole-cloth look at how agribusiness operates. Why is there so much outrage over resources we're using to farm chicken, which as you pointed out are lower calorie-for-calorie than beef, but crickets for the resources we're wasting on growing alfalfa in Arizona.
Also, start eating crickets! They're a great source of protein!
In b4 the pushback from the Fox News crowd....
Oh. No, wait. It appears as though I'm too late.
Produce less people. Reducing the per person carbon production is meaningless when we keep adding people. In 1950, there way 1/3rd less people and less than half the number of Americans.
We have eaten animal protein for millennia. It was instrumental to our evolution. It’s only a problem now that we have way too many people
this is eugenicist propaganda
That is natalist propaganda.
Infinite growth isn’t possible. And there is no eugenics. EVERYONE needs to slow down
your propaganda campaign isn't addressing everyone equally. if it's successful at all, it will disproportionately effect one segment of the population.
Facts are not propaganda.
And, no, it won’t. Hell, I’d rather rich people stop having kids more than any other demographic. They use by far the most resources.
anyone who doesn't have Internet access or who can't read English can't be effected by your propaganda campaign.
Jesus, get over it. It’s a fucking Lemmy post, not a campaign.
it seems you know I'm right and now you want to quibble about semantics
No, I am 100% sure you are both wrong and a complete douche.
calling me names doesn't change whether I'm right.
facts are propaganda when stated in the context of attempting to induce a political position.
So you admit everything I said is a fact?
But, no. Propaganda is misleading. And yours is propaganda.
debatebro harder
not necessarily. it can be dishonest by simply not giving all the facts.
Tell me, what facts are missing?
you aren't being honest about the fact that any policy or even propaganda campaign aimed at reducing birth rates will necessarily be eugenicist since it will disproportionately impact each demographic differently.
I am being honest, because I disagree.
I am telling everyone that they should have fewer kids. I am forcing that decision on no one. You just disagree.
english-speaking literate people with Internet access aren't everyone.
it's called "white propaganda"
I'm not advocating for infinite growth. I'm opposing eugenics
And how do you suppose we don’t have infinite growth if people are encouraged to have as many kids as possible?
I'm not suggesting we encourage anyone to have kids.
Sure you are. You are telling people that we can continue growing for eternity with no damage to the environment.
Or do you agree each additional child adds further stress to the environment?
no. you are putting words in my mouth.
Rich from the guy claiming I’m a eugenicist.
But you admit my premise is sound.
I haven't admitted any such thing.
We’re already reducing population. In order to stave off disaster without atrocity we will need to accept lifestyle changes. Groundwater issues are a problem now, not in a generation. And there have been vegans and vegetarians for millennia too.
Growth is slowing, but we are far from reducing. The numbers continue to climb: https://www.census.gov/popclock/world
If only there were other things to eat.
Actually cut beef consumption sharply. That frees up a huge amount of land and water
Stop eating animals. Its really not hard.
Don't let perfect be the enemy of good. Most people aren't going to stop eating meat, that's an unrealistic expectation. If you're telling people that eating chicken over beef isn't good enough they will shrug their shoulders and go right back to beef.
Guys please don't drink gasoline.