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[–] RampantParanoia2365 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

....but American jews are mostly white.......

I'm so confused.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Whiteness is arbitrary and can be withdrawn pretty fast. That's part of the problem, white isn't a race, it's an ingroup.

Ask a Catholic how quickly they can be exempted from white club.

[–] banneryear1868 11 points 1 year ago

That's race in general too, same thing happens with mixed black people who grew up in an affluent white context.

Race is basically "made real" through racism, which is largely dependent on economic relations. Our modern notion of race didn't really develop until the 1700s. To me being anti-racist is about criticizing the notion of race itself, with the understanding that it's been made in to a real construct that has power through racism.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Muslims used to be considered pretty white before 9/11, Italians used to not be considered white in the early 1900s.

[–] negativeyoda 22 points 1 year ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You're right. And before anyone rebuts, Irish and Italian weren't considered "white".

[–] banneryear1868 5 points 1 year ago

It was really a class distinction at first, the landed gentry used it to justify and explain their position in society. As empires expanded and exploited more territories it gained power as an explanatory framework for why some people were just destined to be worse off.

[–] anarchy79 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Doesn't change anything, it's possible to identify with constructs, such as being gay, seeing that nobody seems to be "just" gay anymore, and it's more on the line of a spectrum. Where is the line drawn for any semantic definition?

[–] FlyingSquid 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Jews are only white when it's convenient.

[–] RampantParanoia2365 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean, I tan pretty well, and I've got pretty big lips for a white boy, but day to day, I have light skin, blue eyes, and light brown hair.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Doesn't matter, if your ancestors touched the Mediterranean then your white status can be revoked. Only the North Sea gets permanent membership.

[–] anarchy79 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm Polish, and they only begrudgingly accept us as white.