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The Israel Defense Forces says it supplied 300 liters of fuel for “urgent medical purposes” at Shifa Hospital in Gaza City, but Hamas prevented the medical center from receiving it.

Early this morning, troops placed the jerrycans near the hospital, as had been coordinated in advance with officials at Shifa.

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[–] FlowVoid -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Are you assuming there is a large, central generator operating to supply the entire hospital? If that is the case, then I agree that it would be very difficult for a small fuel supply to be used effectively.

But I'm assuming that such a generator would be destroyed or otherwise not in use. And that small fuel shipments would be delivered to portable generators at critical locations (like an ICU) in order to triage power use.

As before, if you have a better estimate that includes any factors I've omitted, then I would love to see it. I'm simply not satisfied by previous low-effort estimates, such as comparing 300 L to an automobile fuel tank.

[–] filister 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The truth is that we both are currently guesstimating, but you are simplifying a lot of the unknowns I am pretty sure things aren't that easy. Plus those generators are usually handled by trained technicians who most likely left the hospital long ago.

Plus you didn't answer my question about your knowledge of diesel generators, how many times have you operated one? And are you feeling confident that you can operate one?

[–] FlowVoid 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Again, I'm talking about portable gasoline generators, since I doubt the hospital has a working main generator.

You don't need a trained technician to run a portable generator. I'm perfectly capable of operating my 2000 W unit, which is currently sitting in my garage.

Otherwise, yes of course I'm estimating. A rough estimate is better than no estimate. When a better estimate becomes available, throw out the previous one.

[–] filister 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So then why don't you go there, pick up the fuel in an active war zone, connect the generator and connect the incubators to it. Seriously you are considerably downplaying the complexity of this. It is all good and easy when you are comfortably sitting on your couch.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Because if the statements by the IDF are true (there is little solid evidence but it'd be in line with what we know about Hamas' behavior), there is an obstacle in the way that isn't the IDF, too little fuel, or a technical problem.