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[–] bababatman 19 points 1 year ago (14 children)

It's not a complex argument. Israel is an apartheid, Jews only state, set up on land stolen from its indigenous people. Nothing equivocal about it. And they have been terrorizing, murdering, torturing, starving, imprisoning and humiliating them ever since. And there is a huge extremely well funded lobby in the US ensuring that things like what just happened, with Biden pledging 100 billion dollars of taxpayer money to Israel to keep doing what they are doing, which is genocide, keep happening.

Zero equivalence, the basic concept of Israel is pure, 100% apartheid. Don't you dare say "six of one, half a dozen of the other," not close at all, not even in the same universe!

[–] nucawysi -4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Its not stolen land, it was given to them and sold to them and in addition they fought a completely legal war against people who wanted to annihilate them and won the land. They were willing to share, but the arabs in their war against them made it clear that not only wouldn't they share, but they would do everything they can to eradicate them from the land, like the peace loving, non apartheid, democratic valued nation they are. These points are not relevant today because both peoples are in the land and there must be a solution to find peace without either of them just dissapearing. They have no choice but to share it or some other country offer safe haven for refugees, as so far none have, not of the arab countries or the west, not unilaterally and collectively. Only israel allows them to stay in israel, even after all the wars and all the terrorist attacks and all the government who pledge to annihilate israelis. If you want to discuss funding, talk about all the millions and billions given to the palestianians from foreign aid, yet they cannot even feed their own people. Talk about the millions of dollars of funding from Iran and other terror supporting states that is given to support the continuation of the attacks against israel. If someone cares to prove me wrong, I'm waiting...... Every person hsa the right to defend themselves and taking land is a part of that. If someone is shooting at you from a hill, you have the right to take that hill to defend yourself from that attack and any future ones. That's exactly what happened all over Israel in many disputed areas. If you want to talk about settlments you can talk about settlements, but saying that the whole land of Israel is stolen is simply untrue.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not a single word of what you said is true.

Firstly, you can prove it yourself by checking the (friendly) photos shared between Israel and Palestine at the beginning.

Secondly, don't believe me, just have a look at the political maps of the area, especially how Israel expanded over Palestine territories, every years since 1970. It helps having a merciless army like Israel.

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