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Transgender women banned from women's chess events - BBC News (www.bbc.com)
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The International Chess Federation (FIDE) says it is temporarily banning transgender women from competing in its women's events.

The FIDE said individual cases would require "further analysis" and that a decision could take up to two years.

The move has been criticised by some players and enthusiasts.

Many sports governing bodies have been working on policies towards transgender athletes, but chess does not involve comparable levels of physical activity.

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[โ€“] Springtime 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (20 children)

This is a disturbing and insulting decision to both cis-women as well as transgender men and women.

Besides the decision itself, here are some additional "gems" that show its backwardness:

Transgender men who transition after winning women's titles would see those titles "abolished," the federation said, while holding out the possibility of a reinstatement "if the person changes the gender back to a woman."

"If a player has changed the gender from a man into a woman, all the previous titles remain eligible," the federation said.

And, if it wouldn't be so sad, this here would have me roling on the floor. It seems, FIDE has not reached 2023 yet.. (It also sadly shows that even some women are still stuck in the 1950's)

A top global chess official Friday called for more research into whether factors such as hormone levels and physical endurance might have an impact on players' abilities at the male-dominated game. Her comments came after the world chess federation was heavily criticized for its decision to block transgender women from official women's events. (...)

(...)"What is still not clear is if the hormonal levels do influence the competitiveness in chess," Reizniece-Ozola said by video from Latvia's capital, Riga. "There is no serious research or scientific analysis that would prove one or the other way. There are speculations, but no more than that."

One of the reasons why so few women play chess and the reality of what female chess players had and have to fight against:

UK MP Angela Eagle, who was a joint winner of the 1976 British Girls' Under-18 chess championship, said: "There is no physical advantage in chess unless you believe men are inherently more able to play than women - I spent my chess career being told women's brains were smaller than men's and we shouldn't even be playing."

"This ban is ridiculous and offensive to women," she added.

Edit: removed redundancy

[โ€“] nuxetcrux 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S019188691400261X

This study is very interesting, evidently Georgian chess has been historically equal.

[โ€“] Springtime 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Equally interesting study comes to the conclusion: gender differences in chess go back on the overrepresentation of men in chess in general

Article on the research: Why Men Rank Higher than Women at Chess (It's Not Biological)

I don't have access to what seems to be the actual study, but maybe you do: Why are (the best) women so good at chess? Participation rates and gender differences in intellectual domains

[โ€“] nuxetcrux 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes, I found the participation rate argument very sound.

I wonder what else might be similarly biased?

I think the culinary domain is very interesting for it's seemingly paradoxical take that, at home, women not only belong but are far more capable than men in the kitchen, but as soon as the endeavor becomes competitive and professional, men traditionally (not always, of course) gatekeep the professional kitchen because suddenly talent and taste aren't enough, one must be an officer in Escoffier's army, quick to abuse yourself and others while wearing a silly hat.

[โ€“] Springtime 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes, I found the participation rate argument very sound.

I wonder what else might be similarly biased?

Two examples come to mind:

  1. Medical test subjects are predominantly if not exclusively male. So any new medication on the market are tailored for the physis and metabolism of a male body while the same medication might have different effects (including side effects) when it comes to women.

  2. Scientific findings are often based on male bias, e.g. the remains of a high status person were declared being male. Only decades later with new technology was it possible to determine it was in fact a women. (See the Ivory man)

But this conversation would deserve its.owm thread. The OP post is regarding how women (cis and transgendered people) are treated in chess. The absurdity of backwards thinking and unfairness when it comes to treating women and men as assigned at birth. I'm not sure, if you missed the part where transgendered men are stripped of their titles when transitioning to male, while people transitioning to female are allowed to keep theirs.

This goes so much deeper. Like another commenter posted: "institutionalized patriarchy"

[โ€“] nuxetcrux 2 points 1 year ago

This is awesome! Thanks for the info

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Is posting the same link 3 times in the same thread enough?

[โ€“] nuxetcrux 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No, here are some more:

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1467-9280.2006.01828.x

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1467-9280.1996.tb00665.x

Facts and scientific studies are critical in our understanding of reality. I suggest you brush up on the scientific method. I think you might benefit by taking a more dispassionate approach to the things about the world you don't like or wish to change.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You sure have assumed a lot from my simple question. I said nothing about the data that you posted, just the fact that you posted the same thing 3 times..

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