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[–] duviobaz 7 points 1 year ago (11 children)

Those people are not considered communists by actual communists. Actual communists are in favor of NATO.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Actual communists are in favor of NATO.

Wouldn't go that far. Actual communists may not be as reflexively "West Bad" as tankies, but generally have a negative view of Western-led international initiatives like NATO.

[–] duviobaz 11 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I am a full blown communist, despie the soviet union, china, the DPRK, vietnam, the middle east and so on, yet support NATO, the west and especially europe, while also acknowledging that the west is not perfect and does a shitton of bad stuff. Edgy anti-communists can't bother to not think in black&white. Reality is more complex than that.

[–] Fawxhox 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What's your problem with Vietnam?

[–] orrk 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

wait, you think it's wrong to have a problem with an authoritarian state as a communist?

brother in Christ, most left coms see Stalinism, and it's progeny as nothing more than fascist masquerading as communists, I mean what actual resemblance do they have to a stateless society run by local governments made of the people who live there, and while I'm not 100% with the outdated anarchism, I can at least recognize that the soviet and the sino state structures aren't communist

[–] Fawxhox 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You didn't answer my question. Besides to say it's authoritarian (which, so are most forms of communism

[–] orrk 2 points 1 year ago

not really, communism calls for an abolishment of the state, or are we playing the "everything that calls its self X is X" game?

by that logic, the DEMOCRATIC people's REPUBLIC of Korea must be a democratic republic, the people's REPUBLIC of china must be a Republic, etc...

or do we describe things based on what they act like?

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