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I just bought a Toyota and they locked a lot of features behind an app with a monthly fee, absolute fucking pricks. The whole auto industry is going to shit.
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What things are subscription?
https://lemmy.world/comment/15350150
Seeing as cars and computers are increasingly shared platforms, where is the car-hacking community? As distinct from the car-optimizing or car-modding communities.
Modern cars, I think because of safety laws and "trade secrets", can be quite a pain the reverse engineer. It's notoriously difficult to even interface with any of the chips in any of the onboard computers in the first place, let alone reverse engineer what's going on and modify it. On top of that some car companies, like Toyota, are starting to add HMACs to all the messages they send on the CAN bus, so even if you did figure out everything, unless you get the signing keys every message will be ignored. On top of that, it'll void your warrant, which I know some people don't care about, but for a new car that you are having to depend on, its another hurdle.
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"Hack the planet"
You wouldn't download ecologically friendly things!?
What did they lock behind the paywall?
The main things that bother me are maps, remote start (which can be done from the keys but it's a pain in the ass). When you start the vehicle a screen comes up that asks you to subscribe for maps, and then Android auto connects like 50% of the time and randomly disconnects when you are driving.
There's a bunch of other little features that are mostly convenience things, but I bought the vehicle, and I understand they have to run some infrastructure but it's not much and I could just connect through wifi or Bluetooth and they wouldn't have to run any infra.
https://support.toyota.com/s/article/Subscription-Plans?language=en_US
Also, it's $15 a month which is a rip off. If it was $20 a year, thats annoying, but it's more tolerable. $15 a month to be able to use the maps that are built in is a crime.
The big ass screen is worthless unless I'm using Android auto.
I have remote start, locking doors and car info for free in the FordPass app, though I HAVE to use Android Auto for maps as the 2022 Escape SYNC does not have maps at all, which I am actually unbothered by. Android auto works very well on the display, though it has to be via cable, no w/less AA available.
I'd love to be able to even just see if the doors are locked without a monthly fee.
The USB c connection is on the passenger side of the screen in the top right corner, so doing wired Android auto is pretty annoying