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cross-posted from: https://lemm.ee/post/53805638

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (14 children)

Try asking ChatGPT if Israel is committing genocide and watch it do the magical Hasbara dance around the subject.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (12 children)

I did. The answer it gave is clear and concise with no judgement. Instead it talks about the argument on both sides. Not the "magical Hasbara dance" you promised me.

Try asking Deepseek about Taiwan independence and watch how it completely ignores all (/think) and gives a false answer.


The question of whether Israel is currently committing genocide is a subject of intense debate among international organizations, scholars, and political entities.

Accusations of Genocide:

Amnesty International's Report: On December 5, 2024, Amnesty International released a report concluding that Israel is committing genocide against Palestinians in the Gaza Strip. The report cites actions such as killings, causing serious bodily or mental harm, and deliberately inflicting conditions calculated to bring about the physical destruction of Palestinians in Gaza.

UN Special Committee Findings: In November 2024, a UN Special Committee found that Israel's methods of warfare in Gaza are consistent with characteristics of genocide, noting mass civilian casualties and widespread destruction.

Scholarly Perspectives: Israeli historian Amos Goldberg has stated that the situation in Gaza constitutes a genocide, pointing to the extensive destruction and high civilian death toll as indicative of genocidal intent.

Counterarguments:

Israeli Government's Position: The Israeli government asserts that its military actions in Gaza are aimed at dismantling Hamas, a group designated as a terrorist organization by multiple countries, and emphasizes efforts to minimize civilian casualties.

Criticism of Genocide Accusations: Organizations such as the American Jewish Committee (AJC) reject the genocide label, arguing that Israel's actions are self-defense measures against Hamas and do not meet the legal definition of genocide.

Legal Definition of Genocide:

According to the UN's 1948 Convention on Genocide, genocide includes acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial, or religious group. These acts encompass killing members of the group, causing serious bodily or mental harm, and deliberately inflicting conditions calculated to bring about the group's physical destruction.

Conclusion:

The determination of whether Israel's actions constitute genocide involves complex legal and factual analyses. While some international bodies and scholars argue that the criteria for genocide are met, others contend that Israel's military operations are legitimate acts of self-defense. This remains a deeply contentious issue within the international community.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 weeks ago (4 children)

I mean that's the kind of answer DeepSeek gives you if you ask it about Uyghurs. "Some say it's a genocide but they don't so guess we'll never know ¯_(ツ)_/¯", it acts as if there's a complete 50/50 split on the issue which is not the case.

[–] JaddedFauceet 3 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

\ here you dropped an arm
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 weeks ago

If you verbose, you can see all the reasoning behind the answers. With Taiwan, it's hard coded in without /thinking

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