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This is a serious question, I want to understand your views. I know very little about the Chinese system, but from what I know it doesn't seem to be very communist at all, but rather a capitalist state to rival the US. Why do you all defend it so viciously?

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 years ago (5 children)

I'm gonna be honest, some people in these circles have a way too delusional view of China for my liking, and will defend basically every part of it.

I personally think you don't have to do that. There's a lot of problems in China, and it doesn't make you a "bad Marxist" to admit that. I still support it however, while it's not perfect I wouldn't say it's a capitalist country like the U.S. and I think the world is a better place with China in it than if the U.S. had zero competition in the world stage.

The U.S., Brazil, and India all have far-right crazies in charge. Can you imagine the world if China wasn't what it is? The world would literally be dominated by fascists. I'll always prefer a "not so perfect" communism to fascism and shit like that. God knows what kinda leadership China would have right now if it wasn't for the communist party.

Yeah, I wish it was better and I do think there are serious issues. But compared to the alternatives, I'm glad China exists and I support them.

[–] sgo 12 points 1 year ago

China isn’t facist? How so? So they don’t suppress other opinions and cultures? They don’t lock up and kill people they don’t like? They are not imperialistic? They’re not almost an autocracy?

You are a bad Marxist because you didn’t understand or read his works carefully. For Marx, Capitalism was a necessary evil to reach true communism. A vehicle. He predicted technological and social advances, step-by-step, until we reach communism. So to debate which country is a „good communist country“ is moot as there can’t be real communism yet.

Whether it is China or the western world who’ll reach true communism first will have to be seen. I for one see Europe ahead of China and especially the US, as Europe - at least ideologically - strives to make everyone equal under the law / give everyone the same opportunities. It has homework to do on tue technological front, but that’s nothing unachievable. Whereas culturally, China and the US are better technology wise but far away socially and culturally.

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