What figures are you basing your ignorance off of? The majority of the plants humans grow through crop-based agriculture are fed to non-human animals. Animal ag is one of the largest consumers of fresh (ie "potable") water. There are ten animals living in human possession for every human on Earth. Without intensive plant agriculture, we could not possibly feed them all. Grass and run-off is not what is producing your food.

And since we are specifically discussing the hypothetical suffering of plants, why wouldn't you count grass? You're triggered.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

The majority of the plants humans grow through crop-based agriculture are fed to non-human animals.

It's not that clear, it depends on the country. See the part about share of cereals dedicated to animal feed in this link, it's about 15% in the USA and the rest of the feed is byproducts of crops used for human reasons. https://ourworldindata.org/land-use-diets

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

The majority of the plants humans grow through crop-based agriculture are fed to non-human animals

That's a lie. 2/3 of the world's crop calories go directly to people. One third of the world's crop calories go to livestock, but that's as the other user is mentioning, mostly crop seconds or parts of plants that we can't eat.

[+] SupraMario -16 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

What figures are you basing your ignorance off of? The majority of the plants humans grow through crop-based agriculture are fed to non-human animals. Animal ag is one of the largest consumers of fresh (ie "potable") water. There are ten animals living in human possession for every human on Earth. Without intensive plant agriculture, we could not possibly feed them all. Grass and run-off is not what is producing your food.

No they are not. They eat the shit we cannot eat, they graze the majority of their lives and we use non potable water to water them. The feed we feed them is not made with anything that a human could consume. It's roots/stalks/inedible plants. This bullshit that keeps being promoted by vegans that everything a cow can eat is bullshit.

And since we are specifically discussing the hypothetical suffering of plants, why wouldn't you count grass? You're triggered.

Because your entire point was that vegans consume less plants than anyone else, which is basically saying "vegans are still better than meat eaters" it's more hilarious dick wagging from you chods.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Lol butthurt misinformation troll

[+] SupraMario -9 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Lol I'm butthurt? Lol you vegans are fucking hilariously ignorant bunch. You're like religious zealots too, all high and mighty with an ignorant levels of information being spewed to you.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

This is the epitome of projection, FYI. All this wasted energy and impotent vitriol, railing against a non-existent evil ("the vegan industry?" seriously sad), defending the (actually malignant) status quo for free. It's exhausting feeling so sorry for you

[–] SupraMario -4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

What status quo? Lol the majority of your food comes from small farms, not these mega corps that everyone seems to think exist. Farming is a fuck ton of work for little reward, it's why most younger people are selling their parents farms vs taking over the business.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Accept that you're misinformed or deliberately misleading. There are no other options, sorry. "Family farms" are simply operators of big agriculture's bidding, the latter having complete regulatory and market capture.

"Only four corporations—ADM, Bunge, Cargill and Dreyfus—control more than 75 percent of the global grain trade. They overwhelmingly push commodity crops like corn and soy on local farmers at the expense of native crops."

"the vast majority of cows in the United States live on factory farms. Factory farms depend on cheap and unsustainable animal feed, such as corn and soy, to maximize profits at the expense of animal welfare."

"Factory farms now account for 72 percent of poultry production, 43 percent of egg production, and 55 percent of pork production worldwide."

[–] SupraMario 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

No they do not. What source are you trying to quote here?

https://www.usfarmdata.com/percentage-of-small-medium-and-large-farms-in-the-us

Family farms continue to play a significant role in U.S. agriculture. In 2015, family farms accounted for 99 percent of all U.S. farms and 89 percent of production.

You're sources are %100 wrong. The majority of our food comes from family farms. They sell back to the large farms for slaughter or processing a lot of the times, but those operations do not rear or grow the majority of our food.

So please inform yourself because you're just spewing more vegan bullshit data.

https://www.canr.msu.edu/news/small_medium_large_does_farm_size_really_matter

Some more data for you...

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

"Family farms" are simply operators of big agriculture's bidding, the latter having complete regulatory and market capture.

That's a quote from the comment you didn't read..

[–] SupraMario -1 points 2 weeks ago

I did read it and then completely proved you're comment wrong with actual sources to back up what I'm saying, something you completely didn't do