this post was submitted on 06 Nov 2024
94 points (89.8% liked)

politics

19148 readers
4367 users here now

Welcome to the discussion of US Politics!

Rules:

  1. Post only links to articles, Title must fairly describe link contents. If your title differs from the site’s, it should only be to add context or be more descriptive. Do not post entire articles in the body or in the comments.

Links must be to the original source, not an aggregator like Google Amp, MSN, or Yahoo.

Example:

  1. Articles must be relevant to politics. Links must be to quality and original content. Articles should be worth reading. Clickbait, stub articles, and rehosted or stolen content are not allowed. Check your source for Reliability and Bias here.
  2. Be civil, No violations of TOS. It’s OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It’s NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
  3. No memes, trolling, or low-effort comments. Reposts, misinformation, off-topic, trolling, or offensive. Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.
  4. Vote based on comment quality, not agreement. This community aims to foster discussion; please reward people for putting effort into articulating their viewpoint, even if you disagree with it.
  5. No hate speech, slurs, celebrating death, advocating violence, or abusive language. This will result in a ban. Usernames containing racist, or inappropriate slurs will be banned without warning

We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.

All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.

That's all the rules!

Civic Links

Register To Vote

Citizenship Resource Center

Congressional Awards Program

Federal Government Agencies

Library of Congress Legislative Resources

The White House

U.S. House of Representatives

U.S. Senate

Partnered Communities:

News

World News

Business News

Political Discussion

Ask Politics

Military News

Global Politics

Moderate Politics

Progressive Politics

UK Politics

Canadian Politics

Australian Politics

New Zealand Politics

founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] dhork 35 points 3 weeks ago (19 children)

Didn't Democrats raise a record amount of money this election cycle? And they were supposed to use it to get out the vote?

There is money pouring into these campaigns, and it doesn't make any difference at all. It's all just a corporate welfare project for local TV media in swing states.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 3 weeks ago (16 children)

Money only gets you so far. The unfortunate truth is Harris didn't run a campaign that incentivized people to vote. "Better than Trump" doesn't bring people to polls.

[–] qqq 32 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (15 children)

I'm so sick of this; that wasn't her platform. People constantly saying that was her platform stopped people from actually looking at her platform. I'm so sick of Dems that think they can just not vote because they don't fall in love with their candidate. Politics is practical and the USA just shit the bed and it will have a real impact on the world. All of the Dems or left leaning people who didn't vote are complicit.

[–] Cherries 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

If the DNC wanted immigrants to vote for Harris, they should not have messaged that they will build the wall and prosecute immigrants. Instead, they courted racists who obviously decided to vote for Trump promising Hitler style mass deportations.

If the DNC wanted the peace lovers to vote for Harris, they should not have advertised accepting the Cheneys. Instead, they welcomed the architect of the War on Terror with open arms while Trump lied about being a peaceful dove who never caused any wars.

If the DNC wanted the disaffected youth to vote for Harris, they should have promised change. Instead, they promised that nothing will change, that the economy is doing great right now, actually, while Trump represents a sledgehammer to our society. A horrible change that will affect everyone negatively, but he just lied about the negative bit.

If the DNC wanted progressives to vote for Harris, they should have adopted progressive policies. Instead, they aggressively courted "Moderate Republicans" with stuff like promising to put more Republicans in the Harris Cabinet. The people who want more Republicans in positions of power are obviously just going to vote for Republican administration.

The DNC threw away every advantage they had. Their messaging was, "We're only a little bit better than the Conservatives" and people believed them. The informed voter obviously knows that Trump is 1000x worse than Harris, but most people aren't well-informed. The DNC failed to understand that and failed to inform the voter base, instead relying on the psychopathic message of, "It votes for the Harris or it gets the Trump again".

[–] qqq 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Where is build the wall and prosecute immigrants in her platform?

Associating with the Cheneys was a terrible move; I agree.

Look at her platform, there is plenty of economic change proposed. The president also has a small effect on the economy, usually at least. Trump wants to shock it with tariffs.

Actually look at her platform because you're wrong about almost everything in this comment. People, and bots, on social media perpetuated the claims your making on social media, not the platform.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Because what a candidates actual platform is doesn't matter at all. You can write up whatever you want on your campain website, nobody is ever going to read it. Campaigns are built upon rallies, tv appearances, and social media. In all three spaces, Harris continually reached out to conservatives and ignored key progressive issues.

Don't get me wrong, I agree that her platform as written was fine. Some of her policies were interesting, but that's not what she campaigned on.

[–] qqq -3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Harris shouldn't have needed to reach out to progressives. We have two parties in the US. We have one vote only. Progressives had a choice to say "let's let Trump win and move the country significantly further right" or "I like most of Harris's policies and something is better than nothing". The choice for progressives was crystal clear. Let's not pretend otherwise. The progressives that didn't vote let everyone down, including themselves. Their argument is completely invalid when you look at the real world in front of us.

If anyone calls themself a progressive and didn't vote in this election, I have news for them: you're not a progressive.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Think about what you're saying right now. A politician shouldn't have needed to motivate their own base? Treating progressive votes as a given is absolute bullshit, especially after progressives were already put into the same hostage situation last year.

Maybe stop treating progressive votes as a given, actually campaign and try to court them, listen to their issues without dismissing them at every turn, and then you can get angry when they don't turn up. Telling everyone to shut the fuck up and hold their nose while they vote is clearly not working though.

[–] qqq 0 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Her platform had plenty that progressives agree with! Progressives need to not act like toddlers when they don't get everything they want; we're only going to move to the left gradually. They need to stop asking everyone to treat them like the prettiest girl in school and instead start understanding that politics isn't all or nothing. We almost got Bernie, gradually. We could have potentially gotten someone like him if we didn't let Trump catapult US politics so far right in just 8 years. (Yes I know the the Republicans have been moving in this direction since Reagan, but the acceleration in the past decade is crazy)

I don't buy that any progressives looked at both platforms and avoided voting in good faith. That's absolutely ridiculous. It makes no logical sense at all. Anyone who did that is simply not progressive. That's not a no true Scotsman argument either; it's just bananas that anyone who agrees with progressive ideas would let Trump win.

Think about what you're saying. If a politician doesn't bend over backwards for progressives we should let fascism win? What the fuck? People love saying Republicans are voting against their own interests. Well, progressives who don't vote are also voting against their own interests by abstaining.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

I will repeat it one more time; what politicians write out as their policy platform on their website does not matter. American elections are based purely on emotions, there is no logic or reading. Nobody is asking Harris to "bend over backwards" to support progressives. I don't think openly condeming the genocide in Gaza and publicly promising to take steps to end it would have cost her the election. I don't think calling out the corporations that are keeping prices inflated would have cost her the election. I don't think taking a firm stance on LGBTQ rights would have cost her the election. I don't think promising to enshrine abortion rights into law would have cost her the election. I think running a campaign that ignored those issues and championed "more of the status quo" while ignoring or attacking anyone who offered genuine criticism did lose her the election. You can point to everywhere in her platform that guarantees she would definitely try her best to support these progressive issues once elected, but if she's not saying it at rallies, on TV appearances, and on social media, then it does not matter. That's not how elections are won.

[–] qqq 0 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

If the progressives are too dense to read a website, read between the lines, and make even a modicum of effort to understand the actual political reality of their country we're fucked.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

Americans are fucking stupid, have you met us? People have been increasingly less capable and less willing to do basic amounts of reading for like a generation. Critical thinking is all but dead. It's nice that you have high expectations of citizenry, but that just doesn't comport with reality.

load more comments (13 replies)
load more comments (13 replies)
load more comments (15 replies)