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I normally don't share anything I don't like here, but after reading these 2 pieces, I was left feeling very conflicted, so I thought I might get some opinions on it.

This person seems to be very qualified when it comes to all things forestry, and I don't think anyone could argue his credentials.

I thought I agreed with his overall point, but after reading his reasoning, it makes me question my choice. Perhaps I was being too pessimistic in giving up on the Spotted Owl. I don't think regulation will come to the timber industry due to there being too much money left in harvesting old growth.

With that option off the table, the only realistic thing to do seemed to let the Spotted and Barred Owls find a consistence, even if that meant the Spotted Owl would lose in the long run.

But I disagree with this guy's reasoning so much, it really bothers me. I don't know if the US or Canada will ever have leaders that will care about our environment over money, but it doesn't feel right to throw in the towel on the Spotted Owl.

If you read this, and especially the linked PDF article that goes into more detail that almost got him "canceled," in curious as to your takeaways.

From Capital Press

Commentary: Hoot owl biology and the U.S. government By Bob Zybach

In Charles Darwin's 1859 "Origin of Species," he describes "race" as members of the same species that typically develop different characteristics when separated geographically over time. Human races were the common focus and "scientific" discussions reflected the bigoted prejudices of that time.

In 1942 a German ornithologist, Ernst Mayr, defined animal species as "genetically distinct populations of individuals" capable of mating with one another and producing viable offspring.

These were the definitions my classmates and I were taught in public grade schools in the 1950s, and in public high schools and colleges in the 1960s.

When the Endangered Species Act (ESA) was adopted in 1973, 36 birds, 22 fish, 14 mammals, six reptiles and six amphibians were initially listed: 84 animals in all, and each a distinct species.

Today there are more than 1,770 designated ESA species listed as threatened or endangered in the U.S., and more than 635 foreign species: 2,400 total.

Of these totals, only 57 species that have been considered "recovered" and 11 considered "extinct" were delisted in the past 51 years. This is a success rate of less than 3%; and an average of listing more than 47 new ESA species a year, while removing only one.

The cost to taxpayers can be measured in the billions or trillions of dollars, depending on the accounting method.

The barred owl is the most common brown-eyed owl in North America and has been popularly known as a "hoot owl" for many generations.

Sometime by the 1950s these birds began expanding their range into the Pacific Northwest and breeding with native spotted owls, producing viable young called "sparred owls."

The spotted owl had been listed under the ESA as threatened in 1990 and the supposed cause of its low population numbers was claimed to be logging. This determination resulted in dozens of successful "environmental" lawsuits being filed from that time to the present with the specific focus of stopping the sale and harvesting of commercial timber, and particularly on public forestlands.

In 2007 U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service hunters began systematically killing barred owls and sparred owls on an "experimental" basis. The sole purpose was to control the breeding process in order to maintain genetic purity. Only these were wild owls, not domestic plants or animals, and ethical concerns were raised immediately. And then ignored.

A little over 10 years ago I wrote about this problem in a lengthy article that I also posted to a national blog of (mostly) retired U.S. Forest Service professionals for discussion. I then presented this perspective in two lectures to graduate students, staff and professors at the College of Forestry and then the Department of Fish and Wildlife at Oregon State University.

These efforts resulted in some meaningful discussions in the public forums, but immediate and adversarial claims of being a racist during my university lectures. Which was my whole point.

I had used polar opposites of the human species — a Pygmy and a Swede — to compare their differences in physiology, vocalizations, diet, coloration, appearance and preferred habitat with those of spotted owls and barred owls. I was challenging current scientific theory and government policies with documentation, but my work could be safely ignored because someone called me a name.

The cost to U.S. society for the purpose of keeping these brown-eyed cousins of owls from having sex has simply been too great for too many years.

The massive economic damage from spotted owl lawsuits — almost entirely funded by taxpayers — is generally well recognized: tens of thousands of lost jobs in the forest industry and U.S. Forest Service; hundreds of sawmill closures; billions of dollars in lost revenues to the U.S. Treasury, states, counties and schools; and the resulting degradation of our rural communities, roads, parks and services.

And, as predicted, millions of acres of so-called "spotted owl critical habitat" have gone up in flames, killing millions of wildlife and polluting the air with deadly smoke.

My thought remains that we need to stop playing God with hoot owls and let nature take its course. As Darwin pointed out, nature favors the "survival of the fittest," and in this instance that seems to be sparred owls.

Link to the longer, older article referenced in this story.

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[–] anakin78z 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Only read what you posted, not the longer article... I think that we should absolutely assess and evaluate the success of the program. The numbers on how many species are added, and how many are successfully removed, show that things aren't really working.

And the cross breeding example is an interesting one. To me that seems more like a symptom: the species is forced to cross breeding because the population is too low to sustain interbreeding. Killing off barred owls is probably the wrong move.

But that doesn't mean we should stop trying. Complaining about lost profits is such a slippery slope it's not even worth discussing, in my opinion. Once a species is gone, that's it, and no amount of profit can justify that.

So when a program doesn't work, we shouldn't say 'eh, survival of the fittest,' we should see what else we could do.

[–] anon6789 1 points 2 weeks ago

While the goal of adding species to endangered lists is to eventually get them off the list, it doesn't seem to change the behaviors that lead to them being endangered. Once they come off the list, some will go back to business as usual. We can look at the Yellowstone wolf program and the conflicts with reopening hunting after the program rebuilt wolf populations.

The killings are the result of a change in legal protections for Canis lupus. For decades, the wolves were strictly protected under the federal Endangered Species Act (ESA), but more than 10 years ago successful restoration efforts prompted federal officials to ease protections and give state governments a greater say in managing the species. With wolf numbers in the northern Rockies reaching about 3100 in late 2020, several states have legalized or expanded wolf hunts. Legislators in Montana, for example, last year set a goal of shrinking the state’s wolf population to “at least 15 breeding pairs,” the minimum required by the ESA; state rules allow a person to kill up to 20 wolves each season. Idaho also aims to shrink its wolf population and has set no kill limits. Wyoming has nearly achieved its goal of maintaining just 100 wolves and 10 breeding pairs outside of Yellowstone (where hunting is barred).

The recent discussions about protecting California's remaining Burrowing Owls we've talked about here are similar. Ironically, groups involved in expanding renewable energy are fighting protecting the owls as they live where they want to put solar farms.

I'm sure there will be no one magical solution, but the point that so many leave any solution involving changes in human behavior or profit driven practices is ignoring the major cause of the issue in many people's opinions. This argument has been going on for decades, and those people refuse to budge, and no governments we've elected in the US or Canada have done much to force a change.

Thank you for weighing in! I know it is a lot to read and is about something not pleasant.