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    [–] [email protected] 101 points 2 months ago (45 children)

    The systemd debate is basically dead. There are very few against it, but many accept it by now. Just avoid phoronix forum and some other places.

    [–] tortina_original 19 points 2 months ago (20 children)

    "Just avoid places that sysadmins and security guys frequent and get your opinions on systemd from memes and people running arch on home machine". Great plan.

    Systemd is absolute and utter shit, especially from security perspective.

    Noone was asking security guys but package maintainers.

    My favorite systemd thing is booting up a box with 6 NICs where only 1 was configured during the initial setup. Second favorite is betting on whether it will hang on reboot/shutdown.

    Great tool, 10/10.

    [–] [email protected] 23 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

    My favorite was when the behavior of a USB drive in /etc/fstab went from "hmm it's not plugged in at boot, I'll let the user know" to "not plugged in? Abort! Abort! We can't boot!"

    This change over previous init behavior was especially fun on headless machines...

    [–] [email protected] -1 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    You could just use systemd mounts like a normal person. Fstab is for critical partitions

    [–] renzev 20 points 2 months ago (1 children)

    Fstab is for critical partitions

    Hush everyone, don't tell this guy about noauto, it'll burst his bubble

    [–] [email protected] -2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

    I've never seen it used in the wild

    [–] InverseParallax 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

    Jesus, I mount everything manually from noauto, except root.

    If nfs isn't available, I don't want my system to hang, typing mount takes 2 seconds.

    [–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

    Wouldn't your NFS not mount in that case? Wouldn't you want it to retry periodically? Also, what happens to your service when NFS isn't available?

    Sounds like systemd mounts are better in this case (unless the device is non critical)

    [–] InverseParallax 4 points 2 months ago

    I mount it manually when I'm sure everything is up.

    The issue is, I use this workstation to bring up the rest of my network and servers if they're down, can't have a hard dependency on nfs if it's job is to bring up nfs.

    [–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

    This happened to me when Debian switched from SysV to systemd. I am not the only person who experienced this (e.g., https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=147478 ).

    This is not to say the systemd behavior is wrong, but it essentially changed the behavior of fstab. Whether this is Debian's fault, Arch's fault (per the above link), systemd's fault, or my fault is a fair question. But this committed that most egregious of sins per our Lord and Savior Torvalds


    it broke my userspace.

    [–] [email protected] -4 points 2 months ago

    That was a really long time ago. (2015) I don't understand why you are holding a grudge for almost 10 years. Most people have never used a system without systemd.

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