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Totally possible. It'll work best with Wayland thanks to nested compositor support, whereas on Xorg you'd need to use Xephyr which doesn't do hardware acceleration.
And tada!
Wow, that's so neat!
On my machine it opens a fullscreen plasma spash and then it shows the new session intermixed/overlayed with my current one instead of in a new window... basically, it's a mess :D
If I may abuse your patience:
startplasma-wayland
from a terminal as your user? (I see the plasma splash screen and then I'm back to my old session)Make sure to use
machinectl
and notsudo
or anything else. That's about the symptoms I'd expect from an incomplete session setup. The use of machinectl there was very deliberate, as it goes through all the PAM, logind, systemd and D-Bus stuff as any normal login. It gets you a clean and properly registered session, and also gets rid of anything tied to your regular user:It basically gets you to a state of having properly logged into the system, as if you logged in from SDDM or in a virtual console. From there, if you actually had just logged in a tty as that user, you could run
startplasma-wayland
and end up in just as if you had logged in with SDDM, that's what SDDM eventually launches after logging you in, as per the session file:From there we need one last trick, it's to get KWin to start nested. That's what the additional
WAYLAND_DISPLAY=/run/user/1000/wayland-0
before is supposed to do. Make sure that this one is ran within the machinectl shell, as that shell and only that shell is the session leader.The possible gotcha I see with this, is if
startplasma-wayland
doesn't replace thatWAYLAND_DISPLAY
environment variable with KWin's, so all the applications from that session ends up using the main user. You can confirm this particular edge case by logging in with the secondary user on a tty, and running the same command including the WAYLAND_DISPLAY part of it. If it starts and all the windows pop up on your primary user's session, that's the problem. If it doesn't, then you have incorrect session setup and stuff from your primary user bled in.Like, that part is really important, by using
machinectl
the process tree for the secondary user starts from PID 1:Super weird stuff happens otherwise that I can't explain other than some systemd PAM voodoo happens. There's a lot of things that happens when you log in, for example giving your user access to keyboard, mouse and GPU, and the type of session depends on the point of entry. Obviously if you log in over SSH you don't get the keyboard assigned to you. When you switch TTY, systemd-logind also moves access to peripherals such that user A can't keylog user B while A's session is in the background. Make sure the machinectl session is also the only session opened for the secondary user, as it being assigned to a TTY session could also potentially interfere.
Arch, Plasma 6.1.5.
You mean a tty or a terminal emulator like Konsole?
Screenshot of said mess? Purley for entertainment 😄
I fear it was nothing that entertaining: it was just my "normal" dark panel at the top of the screen and a second "default" white one at the bottom (this last one partially covered the windows I had open). I didn't try triggering notifications or otherwise causing some kind of mayhem.