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[–] [email protected] 52 points 2 months ago (12 children)

I stand by my opinion that learning systems training on copyrighted materials isn't the problem, it's companies super eager to replace human workers with automation (or replace skilled workers with cheaper, unskilled workers). The problem is, every worker not working is another adult (and maybe some kids) not eating and not paying rent.

(And for those of you soulless capitalists out there, people without food and shelter is bad. That's a thing we won't tolerate and start looking at you lean-and-hungry-like when it happens. That's what gets us thinking about guillotines hungry for aristocrats.)

In my ideal world, everyone would have food, shelter, clothes, entertainment and a general middle-class lifestyle whether they worked or not, and intellectual-property temporary monopolies would be very short and we'd have a huge public domain. I think the UN wants to be on the same page as me, but the United States and billionaires do not.

All we'd have to worry about is the power demands of AI and cryptomining, which might motivate us to get pure-hydrogen fusion working. Or just keep developing solar, wind, geothermal and tidal power until everyone can run their AC and supercomputer.

[–] VinnyDaCat 15 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I stand by my opinion that learning systems training on copyrighted materials isn’t the problem, it’s companies super eager to replace human workers with automation (or replace skilled workers with cheaper, unskilled workers).

I mean it's the heart of the issue.

OpenAI isn't even the big issue regarding this. It's other companies that are developing and training specialized LLMs on their own employees. These companies have the capital to take the loss on the project because in their eyes it'll eventually turn into a gain as long as they get it right eventually.

GPT and OpenAI is just a minor distraction in regards to what is being cooked up behind the scenes, but I still wouldn't give them a free pass for that either.

[–] Dkarma 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

This has nothing to do with copyright.

[–] scutiger 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It does. If the AI firms lose, the laws around copyrights tighten and major copyright holders profit. If they win, they get to do what they please and nobody can stop them. Either way, the public loses.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Piracy is already considered illegal and persecuted by authorities, so nothing changes for the public in the first case.

[–] scutiger 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

There are exclusions to copyrights accepted under fair use which could easily be tightened if major copyright holders (like Disney) have their way.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Did not know that, then we are f*** either way. Boycott them all, and a pirate's life for me then.

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