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[–] givesomefucks 13 points 3 months ago (18 children)

PRC, North Korea, the ex-USSR, Cuba, Hoxhua’s Albania, or the Stalinists in Spain during their civil war

What?

Why are you using rightwing dictatorships that lie about what they are. Instead of the actual socialist countries in Europe?

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[+] DMBFFF -9 points 3 months ago (17 children)

What actual socialist countries in Europe?

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[–] givesomefucks 12 points 3 months ago (16 children)

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/world-politics/article/abs/democratic-socialism-in-europe/9919C742691605DE158C13394E416349

I think part of the problem here, is you don't understand socialism is an economic system.

And before you say "someone has to enforce it", yeah, that's how society works man. People have to enforce capitalism too, if you need examples of that, well....

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[–] farcaster 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

That’s an article from 1950, perhaps not so relevant anymore today.

Not to say socialism isn’t a strong influence in many European countries, though I wouldn’t go so far as to call a European country as being primarily economically and politically “socialist”. Democratic socialism / Social democratic maybe, but that is much more of a centrist set of policies than the outright goal of a workers-owning-the-means-of-production economy. Just my 2c.

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[–] givesomefucks 5 points 3 months ago (2 children)

perhaps not so relevant anymore today.

Take your pick:

https://www.lifeinnorway.net/scandinavian-socialism/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_socialism#Europe

https://www.oxfordbibliographies.com/display/document/obo-9780199756223/obo-9780199756223-0022.xml

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/top-15-democratic-socialist-countries-181857008.html

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/democratic-socialist-countries

than the outright goal of a workers-owning-the-means-of-production economy. Just my 2c.

https://www.history.com/news/socialism-communism-differences

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago (2 children)

The simple fact is that Scandinavian countries are not, by any reasonable definition, socialist.

That’s your first link.

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[–] givesomefucks 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Scandinavia and the Nordic countries can be best described as social democracies. Effectively, they’re democratic countries in which its citizens are well cared for.

Some refer to this as democratic socialism, though this is far from correct. Some economists refer to it as cuddly capitalism, contrasting with what is seen as cut-throat capitalism in other Western countries.

And in Germany, Germany is called Deutschland...

What they have in the Nordic countries is described as socialism virtually everywhere else.

In America advocating for a 1/10 of what they have gets jumped straight to communist.

It shouldn't be a surprise that context is important.

Yet here we are

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago

Socialism has a clear definition. Scandinavian countries are not even close to be in this definition. It doesn’t matter what uneducated Americans believe.

I like the name Cuddly Capitalism. It describes our economic model pretty well.