Fediverse vs Disinformation
Pointing out, debunking, and spreading awareness about state- and company-sponsored astroturfing on Lemmy and elsewhere. This includes social media manipulation, propaganda, and disinformation campaigns, among others.
Propaganda and disinformation are a big problem on the internet, and the Fediverse is no exception.
What's the difference between misinformation and disinformation? The inadvertent spread of false information is misinformation. Disinformation is the intentional spread of falsehoods.
By equipping yourself with knowledge of current disinformation campaigns by state actors, corporations and their cheerleaders, you will be better able to identify, report and (hopefully) remove content matching known disinformation campaigns.
Community rules
Same as instance rules, plus:
- No disinformation
- Posts must be relevant to the topic of astroturfing, propaganda and/or disinformation
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No-one is saying she's trans. She is, however, chromosomally male (DSD), which is the issue under debate.
I got banned from a lemmy community for saying the same thing. Less even.
It's weird. I'm left-wing but am being accused of being right-wing because I believe men should not compete in women's sports.
Two hundred years ago, a woman was someone's property. Now, apparently, it's just a feeling, or something that is defined by a passport rather than chromosomes. Women are losing their rights to men who are taking over every aspect of their sex and it makes me angry.
You're being down voted because you're asserting something maliciously as fact that there's no actual evidence of.
No, instead someone's gender should be determined by randos on the internet who believe lies spread by corrupt Russian boxing officials. As God intended. /s
Or you should? Wtf are you taking about.
Relax. Not everything you don't like is a corrupt Russian trying to hurt your feelings.
That's the whole point. A person's gender shouldn't be up to you to decide, for @[email protected] to decide, or for some corrupt boxing organization located in a country known for it's anti-lgbtq+ stance to decide.
We can only go by the facts in this case. The only fact that matters here is that Imane Khelif says she is a woman. The IBA has produced no facts to the contrary, only unsubstantiated claims, and they are not a trustworthy source.
Even if she does have some chromosomal difference, and we have no idea if that is true, that is not something that would matter in the Olympics, because it's not against their rules. So, it's really a moot point anyway.
But I'm not trying to decide it. I never had. I think she should be able to compete. She was competing before, the other competitors were not against it.
What I'm saying is that women sports have this issue because conditions do arise in body development. I'm not saying imame has it (all though all the circumstantial evidence first point to it, but that's beside the point).
But whenever I mention this and I get attacked. There looks like there is no room for discussion here. It's either a ban, or people start to rain on with person insults and strawmen. I find it really interesting. Usually in these situations there's is a lot of room for people to grow. I'm trying to see if anyone will be able to calm down enough first.
You started a tirade against someone without any evidence available yet.
IBA claimed that she was ineligible due to some unspecified test they did. Perhaps they will disclose tomorrow.
Everything points out that this ban was political to protect a Russian boxer who lost to her. Khelif fought for many years she also lost 9 times to other women, but just that one time when she fought to Russian boxer she got disqualified by organization that itself got disqualified for corruption and ties with Kremlin.
Why start with some conspiracy theory? Why are some people so much against talking about this issue. I got banned just bringing it up. Everybody here thinks the best action is to ban all mention of the issue and pretend it doesn't exist.
Like that she's not a woman? that conspiracy theory?
Don't play stupid, you know very well I mean a conspiracy with the Russian boxer.
Because the IBA is a conspiratorial organization. that’s why IOC banned them.
https://apnews.com/article/e0bc25202d484c9ba07ce5d3fbca2412
Yes every boxing organization is. What's your point?
Then you surely agree that we should be questioning their integrity in this matter, right?
Also consider there have been no other transgender-related controversies around these olympics except for the two initiated by the IBA.
The tests and results are confidential for a reason.
The whole idea of a conspiracy to affect one boxer in the woman's category doesn't make sense.
except where IBA is involved... hmm...
TWO boxers. please explain your reasoning, you can't just assert something like that with nothing to back it up. you're just being a denialist.
Lol! I'm not asserting you are. With no evidence might I add.
IOC has evidence and banned them. That is evidence.
Lol. That's all you got? To justify using a conspiracy theory as your main argument?
and what evidence do you have that these women are transgender?
I never said they were transgender.
My sin for all of this vomit is that I dared to suggest that women's sport might have an issue with individuals with dsd and it's not sensible to pretend that it doesn't exist.
That's all.
yet you are sure IBA can be believed when they say they are transegender. why is that?
you literally asked, "Why start with some conspiracy theory?"
And I answered. IOC and US authorities have evidence that IBA can't be trusted to govern the sport, and IOC says these women are fit to compete.
Iba never said they were transgender.
I never said iba can be trusted. In fact I said the opposite. Many times.
You are claiming that it's a conspiracy against this one boxer. You have to come up with some proofs. Saying that they are generally untrustworthy is not evidence.
I never said they were unfit to compete. I even said they should since they competed before and none of the opponents were against it before.
Okay let me do some more homework for you.
https://www.npr.org/2024/08/02/nx-s1-5061280/olympic-womens-boxing-gender-imane-khelif-lin-yuting
That's the IOC saying outright these women were unfairly disqualified by the IBA. Call it a conspiracy or whatever you want, the IOC said it straight up.
This is the IBA president saying they were DSQ for being XY.
But let me guess none of this counts as evidence either. Maybe in the future try googling for 5 minutes instead of plugging your ears and screaming CONSPIRACY!!!! a million times.
You seriously posted that as your proof of conspiracy? None of that speaks of conspiracy.
No need for homework, I have read all the you shared a few times before. Thank you.
you're the one calling it a conspiracy from the beginning, I was just trying not to get mired in a semantic debate. And you have done an excellent job of absolving yourself of any responsibility to do anything other than deny anything presented to you. you're a Denier.
The fact is IBA unfairly DSQed them for being XY. Use whatever term you want to describe that.
except for those parts where you were blatantly wrong, like the IBA not saying the women were trans.
Calling me strange names won't make your argument any better.
Saying they found xy genes is not the same as calling them trans.
They might disqualified them fairly as well. We don't know what tests they did and what results they got.
You are claiming unproven things and asking me to disprove them.
I'm not calling you names, I'm saying you are displaying repeated behavior of denying literally everything presented in front of you.
jfc, now we're splitting hairs huh? what would you call it then?
are you denying what the IOC, who have way more information on the issue than you or I, said?
I am claiming nothing other than the IBA has proven to be less trustworthy than the IOC.
You are calling me names. A rather strange one, since I could also call you one. Everybody in every debate could do it.
We are absolutely not splitting hairs. That's a whole other ball game. It means they have a condition they are unaware of that gives them unfair advantage. I think it was phrased that way. This condition absolutely exists and there would be no surprise if that was the case.
Of course I'm not denying what they said, but they are not the alpha and omega of sport organizations. They went with their previous decision, choosing not to do any tests that might degrade the situation even more. Absolutely the correct decision.
If an organisation is considered less trustworthy, it doesn't mean it's always wrong with everything. That would be a logical phalacy.
Why can't you just own up to the fact that you hate this person for no rational reason?
First she was trans and when that didn't work it was hormones and when that didn't work it was testosterone and when that didn't work it was chromosomes and now that this isn't working I'm genuinely curious what rabbit you'll pull out of your hat this time.