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Trump's intent is easy to judge because we've an adequate and reasonably consistent history of his actions.
The shooter's intent is tougher because it's clouded with judgement of his means. But, if Trump so obviously fights against democracy, it would seem a reasonable assumption that the shooter's intent was the preservation of democracy. And, they didn't just formulate, but carried out a plan that certainly would end in death in defense of democracy.
Regardless of judgement of the shooter's means, what do you think of his intent?
I think if you kill Hitler, you get Chancellor Göring.
I agree that the means are misguided and in the example of why.
But, I asked a question about intent.
I'm not sure why their intent matters at this point. They didn't manage to kill Trump like they apparently wanted to and they're dead.
I'm also not sure why my personal speculation on their intent matters. I'm no one special.
I think many people's choices don't seem to represent their best interests or the best interests of society. And, I can't and won't force them to choose differently. Anything I can do begins with asking myself why they may be choosing as they are.
We engaged yesterday about propaganda. You're a solid communicator in good faith. Browsing, I ran across your post today. I thought I'd throw something a little controversial at you to see what you make of it.
No need to be slippery if that's what's up. Just don't engage. No biggie. The historians will sort it out later.
Ok. People have looked into the intent of presidential assassins before and there's just no pattern. Some of them did it for political reasons (Booth, Czolgosz, Sirhan Sirhan). Some for personal reasons (John Hinckley Jr., Squeaky Fromme) and some were just completely batshit (Charles Guiteau). You could also put Hinckley and Fromme in the 'completely batshit' categories, but Guiteau was a level unto himself.
And then there's Sam Byck, the guy who tried and failed to assassinate Nixon twice. He fits all those categories.
The point is, there's just nothing to conclude here based on history and we will, barring the discovery of some sort of manifesto, likely never know what the intent was.
I agree with all of this.
But, what I'm thematically understanding is that you don't believe there's context to form perspective of merit. I'd agree with that, too.
You've better alternative uses of your time than guessing with very little information? I've value for this one. But, I could see how perfectly reasonable and good faith others would not.
Better? Maybe not. But I also don't engage in such speculation because I prefer to have an evidence-based outlook and I am fine with not knowing the answer to something. When it comes to this dead man's reasons for doing the thing he was killed for, there's just not enough evidence. We don't even know what his political leanings were because he was a registered Republican but also gave a donation to a left-wing group.
I don't know what his intent was. I may never know. I am also not an expert in psychology or criminology, so any speculation on my part would be far more likely to be wrong than right.
If you want to know a dead person's intent, asking a former comedian is probably the wrong way about doing things. I can brainstorm some amusing concepts for you if you'd like. Maybe he did it because he was fired from Claire's and was going to prove to everyone that he could pierce a fucking ear.
I admit that sometimes I spend time on a thing irrationally. It's certainly true for this line of speculation. My gut says it'll be valuable later. My experience says there's no point in trying to reason the nature of the future value.
I respect why you don't want to speculate, particularly given the history of speculation in modern public forums. Thanks for explaining yourself. I think I again fell short of responsibly adapting: My question wasn't really fair. I apologize.