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[โ€“] stufkes 149 points 3 months ago (26 children)

The use of chatgpt for writing is so widespread in higher ed, it will cause serious problems to those students when entering the workforce.

Lots of fancy stuff is written about how we just have to change the way we teach!, and how we can use chatgpt in lessons! blablabla, but it's all ignorant of the fact that some things need to be learnt by doing them, and students can't understand how they hurt their own learning, because they don't know what they don't know.

[โ€“] sunbytes 9 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (21 children)

I bet AI detection is going to get a lot better over time.

I wonder if there's going to be retrospective testing of theses as time goes on.

Could really damage some careers down the line.

Edit: guys, retrospective testing means it was done later (i.e. with a more up to date AI detector).

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Or we're going the other way and just accept it as a tool for performing tasks that would otherwise take too much time.

Granted that it makes the problem of teaching students the basics even more important.

[โ€“] [email protected] -1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

By that logic, we shouldn't have to teach kids to walk, because they'll be able to strap on an exoskeleton or sit in a floating chair. Heck, we will be able to make Dune style suits and never have to teach them to control their poopage.

There's no growth without struggle.

[โ€“] Omega_Man 1 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Writing is not similar to walking. It's more like cursive. Perhaps writing every word will seem old fashioned someday?

[โ€“] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It has been well documented that the act of hearing the letter, thinking about the letter and doing a physical motion to create the letter provides better connections for the learning and retaining. Same for writing full cursive words. It will get dropped totally at some point, hopefully future generations always have OCR to read new found historic manuscripts. Schools have moved to keyboarding skills and it has an impact on learning.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[โ€“] Omega_Man 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Funny enough, this used to be an argument made against relying on writing.

[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

And at the time it was true.

If all the knowledge you have in your society can be memorized and recited, writing it down means it can be changed.

On the other hand, if you have a society where you know of that there are over 500,000 types of beetles, it might be a better idea to come up with a way to record that information without memorization.

Just because an idea is new/old doesn't mean it's good/bad.

Things have to be judged on their own merits.

[โ€“] Omega_Man 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Writing allows you to devote more of your mental faculties to other things. Couldn't the same be true of AI-assisted writing?

Just because an idea is new/old doesn't mean it's good/bad

This is the point I'm trying to make (but apparently not very well)!

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

I see no advantage to students using AI and many problems.

Unless and until I see an advantage to a new tech, I hold my reserve. Obviously, a typewriter will give you better copy than a quill pen, and a word processor beats both.

But all three of those require the writer to come up with their own ideas.

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