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Seconds later, a shout rang out: "He's got a gun!"

Body cam.

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[–] [email protected] -2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Cant they use their tazer?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Genuine question, how accurate are Tazers? If the partner was in a headlock, was there any risk of tazering the wrong person while the gum was more accurate?

The real problem here is that Americans just keep arming everyone, so then you have crazies with the guns.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Genuine question, how accurate are Tazers? If the partner was in a headlock, was there any risk of tazering the wrong person while the gum was more accurate?

Speaking independently of the story- Not very by comparison to firearms. Something like 50% less accurate. There's also the issue that tasers will not always incapacitate someone. That's a gamble if someone has a weapon and the range to use it.

Part of the rationale in using a firearm is the need to body someone before they can use a weapon where non lethal methods are just not as effective.

Of course, when you investigate yourself you will always find that you used your firearm in the appropriate situational context.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

As an outsider, the whole thing seems insane.

[–] Valmond 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

A gun isn't that precise either I guess. So when you are under stress of getting shot you'd pick the gun option instead of a less lethal one because you feel threatened. Who wouldn't. Guessing wildly here, and as usual everyone having guns isn't like makeing the place more safe.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

as usual everyone having guns isn't like makeing the place more safe.

If anything it's more like injecting an unknown number of dangerous wildcards into an already dangerous situation.

[–] littlebluespark 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

you have crazies with the guns.

Thafuq do you think the cops are‽

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You make it sound like I don't put American cops in the same group as Americans.

The cops are armed because everyone else is armed. Demilitarisation of the police force can only come in when you can have a sensible conversation about your gun ownership.

It's not like owning guns actually protects you from bad cops.

[–] littlebluespark -2 points 2 months ago

I prefer to assume any argument is made in good faith until proven otherwise, so please understand that the following criticisms are contextual and not, of course, personal.

The cops are armed because everyone else is armed

Bullshit. That implies that vast majority of interactions cops have with "everyone" else (ignoring the obvious hyperbole) while on the clock are with other armed people, which is not only patently false but dangerously presumptive in a grossly negligent way. In fact, the statement is so irrational that any statistic even comparing fatality rates between armed & unarmed individuals by cops would entirely debunk it; cops are not armed "because" others are, they're armed first and foremost — and have been, since the very concept of a "police force" was first invented, FFS.

Demilitarisation of the police force can only come in...

Considering your failure to grasp the predicating concept, I'm hesitant to trust that you got the key in hand here.

...a sensible conversation about your gun ownership.

Again, this doesn't seem to be in your wheelhouse at the moment.

It's not like owning guns actually protects you from bad cops.

Logical fallacy and bait, not to mention an oversimplification of the actual issues at play.

So, do you want to have an adult conversation or just bark across the pond (where we'll be touching on various police issues y'all have on your island yonder, to be sure), hmm?